tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post8606568736633775825..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Furious About Ferguson? Work to Free Shaneen Allen William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-91980464958956997042014-09-10T11:37:27.850-06:002014-09-10T11:37:27.850-06:00Hi William - great writing here. Please send me an...Hi William - great writing here. Please send me an email when you can! Thanks so much.<br /><br />JulieJuliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13100921467173211376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-28312732305197433642014-08-23T16:48:18.587-06:002014-08-23T16:48:18.587-06:00Switzerland, although it is now a federation rathe...Switzerland, although it is now a federation rather than a confederacy, remains amazingly peaceful, despite having four major language groups, speaking the Swiss dialects of German, Italian, French and Romanche (a dialect of Latin), It also peacfully contains both Roman catholic and protestant faiths including Calvinists (Calvin having settled for a while in Geneva).<br /><br />Throughout Europe, wars have been fought for centuries on end, based on nation states and principalities identifying through those language groups and faiths, all the while, those same languages and faiths lived peacefully side by side in the county sized areas which comprised the Swiss confederation. <br /><br />That's not to say that they were all best friends or implicitly trusted each other - but they trusted each other sufficiently not to give way to divide and rule.Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-27594723006410795122014-08-23T13:44:36.496-06:002014-08-23T13:44:36.496-06:00TAS, Switzerland doesn't even really count bc ...TAS, Switzerland doesn't even really count bc the non-Swiss are unable to vote. They can work, but they can't vote. Murray Rothbard wrote about this approvingly and offered it up as a solution here to mass immigration destroying our liberty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-11928729485628652492014-08-23T03:31:42.883-06:002014-08-23T03:31:42.883-06:00"It must first be pointed out that there is n..."It must first be pointed out that there is no evidence at all that Shaneen Allen is a thug by any definition, unless we are to assume that her ethnicity is evidence of incipient thuggery."<br /><br />I completely agree. She is collateral damage in the liberal/neo-con (or do I repeat myself) war on guns.<br /><br />"The libertarians in whose company I am comfortable don't give a "free pass" to thugs of any color or description, but we recognize that the thugs who are of greatest concern to us are those who claim a license to commit aggression. That category includes, but is not limited to, the police."<br /><br />Right. But let's be honest, if Michael Brown has tried to steal the gun of the shopkeeper whom he robbed, most "libertarians" would be using the Ferguson incident as evidence as to why the right to bear arms is an essential human right. Instead, he tried to take a police officer's firearm and now he is a martyr.<br /><br />"Libertarianism is a rejection of aggressive violence by anybody, which is why it is the only morally defensible social model. If the non-aggression principle were followed in Ferguson and the other cities you list, predatory violence by both private thugs and the state-licensed variety, would be rejected and resisted."<br /><br />I am well aware of that. But the fact is, modern "libertarians," unlike those from, say, the early-to-mid 1990s seem to think that anyone who is shot by the police is a modern day saint. The fact is, even a libertarian night watchman state will require some sort of police force.<br /><br />Also, the fact is, black thugs will never agree to the anti-aggression principle. And why should they? The liberal media, Marxist professors, "civil rights" activists, communist/anarchist agitators, and the Attorney-General of the United States agree that because a cop sent a thug to Hell, they have every right to loot and burn their city.<br /><br />"Diversity doesn't detract from that principle; it validates it: The ongoing breakup of the unitary state, and localized race-conscious entitlement systems (Detroit offers a good example) could lead to a wide variety of local political arrangements, which I think would be a good thing, in the long term."<br /><br />Diversity and freedom cannot coincide. The only country where they do is Switzerland, which has little in common with most other diverse countries in the world.<br /><br />Detroit offers a bad example of the wonders of diversity. It offers a good example of what happens when the founding peoples of a land are displaced from it.TAShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00260719592299142917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-81901586520648497492014-08-22T18:37:33.981-06:002014-08-22T18:37:33.981-06:00Excellent post, as always, Mr. Grigg.Excellent post, as always, Mr. Grigg.Jack O'Brienhttp://www.libertysetsquare.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-46103737382911705042014-08-22T10:22:57.148-06:002014-08-22T10:22:57.148-06:00Who would be my favourite president?
when you fin...Who would be my favourite president?<br /><br />when you finally elect "non of the above", stick with him, he'll be the best one you'll ever get.<br /><br />KeithAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-49517490036611464272014-08-22T10:20:00.934-06:002014-08-22T10:20:00.934-06:00Left vs right, black vs white, christian vs moslem...Left vs right, black vs white, christian vs moslem, mormon vs southern baptist, <br /><br />Ford or Chevy?<br /><br />Oh, and spare me the "no true Scotsman" fallacies.<br /><br />Welcome to all the ways in which politicians separate us into groups and offer one special privilege at the expense of the other and frighten it with the supposed threat of the other. <br /><br />It's called divide and rule. Get over it!<br /><br />There's an interesting difference.<br /><br />Though I despise both, statism is much more threatening than racism.<br /><br />A racist can potentially follow the NAP and though he may not wish to live beside me or have any direct dealings with me, as long as he neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs, he's welcome to live according to his beliefs.<br /><br />A statist, however, seeks to have me beholden to his idolatrous religion and to face summary execution for dis obeying any of the myriad of paragraphs of obsessive compulsive disorder, typed onto pieces of paper, filling tens of yards of shelf space, totally impossible for any single person to be acquainted with. He also expects to pick my pocket (also under threat of death) for endless special interests, supposedly decided upon by the "community".<br /><br />Yes statism, nationalism, worship of piece of paper and democracy are all amongst the dangerous forms of communism.<br /><br />Absent statolatry, even communism ceases to be a threat: who ever felt threatened by Amish or Mennonites? absolutely no one.<br /><br />KeithAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-59339813930575790452014-08-22T02:20:41.688-06:002014-08-22T02:20:41.688-06:00How many republican types who take issue with obam...How many republican types who take issue with obama's constitutional violations view Lincoln as a great president? Do you think Lincoln was a good president? Or what about George w bush?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-86457437582750368382014-08-22T02:18:53.911-06:002014-08-22T02:18:53.911-06:00And for the record, race based segregation would p...And for the record, race based segregation would prevent people like Thomas sowell, Walter Williams, and will grigg from being residents! Do you really want to live in a place where they aren't legally allowed to visit?<br /><br />The ultimate solution is located in Hoppe's Democracy book. Abolish the state, and let the people decide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-43030585976651194592014-08-22T02:16:40.422-06:002014-08-22T02:16:40.422-06:00Leon, are you proposing state sanctioned mandates ...Leon, are you proposing state sanctioned mandates for segregation? Even though the black crime rate is astronomical compared to whites, don't you believe that the government forcing behavior based upon race is just as wrong whether it is affirmative action, the civil rights act, section 8 housing, college admissions favoring non Asian minorities, etc?<br /><br />Personally, I view the state mandating that private businesses serve everyone as just as morally wrong as not allowing races into areas based upon government decree. Both are violations of Rothbard's NAP, and both are essentially violence by the state.<br /><br />People tend to naturally segregate in neighborhoods, among friends, or church, so why not just allow it to happen naturally? I tend to agree with Mr Grigg that we will see secession and multiple smaller states, and they may even be race based. Why use govt force to mandate what races can go where? Why not just allow the market and people to decide? With racial tensions and the welfare state the way it is, we are headed onto a course of the Bosnian war within a few decades at the most anyway. I would much prefer the split to take place without violence when the economy collapses, welfare programs have no money, and all hell breaks loose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-24973175841405072962014-08-22T02:07:09.664-06:002014-08-22T02:07:09.664-06:00Agreed! No one will ever be able to top Lincoln s...Agreed! No one will ever be able to top Lincoln simply for the fact of how permanently he changed the relationship of the federal govt to the states and the people while supposedly ending the secession question with war crimes and violence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-88394046731699532652014-08-21T22:18:26.242-06:002014-08-21T22:18:26.242-06:00Blacks are a violent race, as proven by their coll...<i>Blacks are a violent race, as proven by their collective behavior everywhere in the world</i><br /><br /><i><b>Humans</b></i> are a violent race, and the track record of "civilizing" violence carried out by European governments makes for sobering study. I have no brief for "Big Man" leaders in post-colonial Africa, but the antics of King Leopold and his ilk demonstrate that a capacity for barbarism is not a function of melanin content.<br /><br /><i>There is not a shred of evidence that liberty as understood in America can be sustained by large numbers of nonwhites.</i><br /><br />An honest appraisal of contemporary American culture would lead one to conclude that there's little evidence that liberty of that kind can be sustained by <i>whites</i>, either.<br /><br /><i>What we white Americans need is resegregation, followed by racial secession and national sovereignty.</i><br /><br />I have unalloyed enthusiasm for voluntary secession on any basis, and voluntary association (including segregation) for any non-violent purpose. That's one reason, among others, why I don't think in terms of "national" sovereignty: I don't see any reason why the USA must retain its current geographical configuration, as opposed to dissolving into several smaller polities based on shared affinities of various kinds (including ethnicity, perhaps). <br />William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-56627728790590751852014-08-21T20:35:25.391-06:002014-08-21T20:35:25.391-06:00Under libertarianism, contra the utopians, the sam...Under libertarianism, contra the utopians, the same problems of lawful whites - whether private citizens, private security guards, or private militias/vigilantes - killing black thugs, followed by black racial nationalist protests, which in turn degenerate into looting sprees, would still occur. <br /><br />While I agree with Grigg that a return to the Constitution across all areas of life would dramatically reduce social tensions, as well as increase economic prosperity, the basic issue of Ferguson would not go away. Blacks are a violent race, as proven by their collective behavior everywhere in the world, even in places like Continental Europe where the mouldy oldie about "historical racism" and its alleged "legacies" simply is not applicable (not that I believe it is actually applicable anywhere, including South Africa, a country utterly ruined by the removal of civilized white rule - as we on the White Nationalist Right predicted). Wherever there are large concentrations of blacks, there will be disproportionate violence. Why this is the case is a fascinating scientific question, but from the perspective of ordinary, lawful whites, it's mostly irrelevant. We just want to be able to live our lives free of violent predation, not just its occasional reality, but its omnipresent possibility, which creates climates of fear and their attendant daily living adjustments that we whites deeply resent. <br /><br />Many whites thought that gradually blacks would integrate themselves into American life, and behave more or less as other groups. But this has not happened; increasingly looks like it never will; and meanwhile, a lot of us are fed up with ALL OF IT - the whole "race thing". After all, WE WHITES DO NOT NEED THESE PEOPLE - THEY NEED US, LITERALLY TO EAT FOOD. One would not be remiss in expecting a little community gratitude for all the wealth we whites have transferred, and all the patience we have exhibited. Instead, more criminality, and whining when white police simply enforce laws which protect lawful persons of all backgrounds.<br /><br />Enough. The commenter above was spot on: liberty is Western (as Mises pointed out). There is not a shred of evidence that liberty as understood in America can be sustained by large numbers of nonwhites. Diversity is the enemy of liberty, of civilization per se, of Western civilization, and of America. What we white Americans need is resegregation, followed by racial secession and national sovereignty. <br /><br />And what a delicious irony that would pose for the likes of WN Grigg! OTOH, a racial apartheid or at least Whites-in-authoritarian-control country, which however would domestically be highly libertarian (apart from race and crime) and capitalist (but with no open borders nonsense). OTOH, an alternative leftist America, extremely diverse and racially progressive, but with the domestic politics of Obama and Pelosi. Where would Grigg belong? <br /><br />You might want to think about it, because that is the future of America, at least politically, if not necessarily geographically. The US has survived this long because of the political acquiescence of the white man in the face of constant racial and economic depredations. But a lot of us are fed up, and our numbers will only grow. What do you think the Tea Party is really about - economics and liberty alone, or anger at Middle American economic and cultural and racial dispossession?Leon Hallernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-41795300798342113192014-08-21T20:19:02.641-06:002014-08-21T20:19:02.641-06:00Demurring, at present, regarding a number of other...Demurring, at present, regarding a number of other disagreements, I must take issue with the characterization of Obama as "the most anti-Constitutional President in history." While his reign has been uniformly abominable, he still comes in second behind Abraham the Destroyer, albeit by an ever-narrowing margin. William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23418639538092056762014-08-21T20:07:14.265-06:002014-08-21T20:07:14.265-06:00It's very sad that an otherwise laudable artic...It's very sad that an otherwise laudable article about a clear miscarriage of justice, albeit of a type that happens everyday in this leftist country, has to taint itself with reference to the clearly justifiable actions of police officer and attack victim Darren Wilson in lawfully defending himself against violent black thug Michael Brown of Ferguson, MO.<br /><br />No, none of us real Americans are outraged about what happened to criminal Michael Brown. But many of us are outraged about the legal railroading of Darren Wilson, which is surely as outrageous in its way as what is happening to Shaneen Allen. Christie is a RINO creep, so of course he doesn't use his pardon capacity to end this woman's suffering (he does find time to fight to inflict more Mexican criminals on us, however - ie, for immigration "reform" aka Amnesty).<br /><br />The problem, however, is not with law enforcement, or even prosecutors, but with leftist laws themselves, esp ones which violate the higher (supercessionary) law of the Constitution. Now the irony here is that such laws are mostly the work of Democrats, and black women like Shaneen just voted - are you ready? - 98% to reelect the most anti-Constitutional President in history.<br /><br />Moral? We need to return to conservatism to restore America. And the only hope of that lay with the Tea Party taking over the crony capitalist GOP. Maybe minorities will one day understand this. Leon Hallernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-29991549374278344842014-08-21T08:45:39.570-06:002014-08-21T08:45:39.570-06:00An amusing coincidence, in the fist chapter of Tom...An amusing coincidence, in the fist chapter of Tom Sharpe's novel "Indecent Exposure", pompous apartheid era police chief Komandant van Heerden, is being flown around town, to give "Heroes Day" speeches to various gatherings of Afrikaans and English speakers, seperate of course because their respective heroes are from the genocidal Boer War.<br /><br />The Komandant used exactly the same tried and tested speech that he had for the previous dozen or so years, telling of the rape of white nuns in the Congo...<br /><br />In the interest of harmonious community relations, the black population were not permitted to celebrate "heroes day" and anyway, as Sharpe adds bitterly, in the eyes of the other communities, the blacks (he uses the derogatory "k" word) didn't have any heroes worth celebrating.<br /><br />The Congo wars, like all other wars, are not a phenomenon of colour or of race, they're a phenomenon of statism, and control of the special privilege of legal coercion and theft.<br /><br />KeithAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-70502547767218237582014-08-21T08:27:43.818-06:002014-08-21T08:27:43.818-06:00TAS,
If we limit our information to the lamestrea...TAS, <br />If we limit our information to the lamestream, then the only message which we get is of chaos, looting and violence. <br /><br />If we look a little further afield for our information, we discover local residents and protestors, of all hues and shades, some displaying gang tattoos, protecting local property and businesses from the few who would loot them, and despite being armed for the worst, they are using peaceful reasoning and persuasion, eg "you're better than this, you're no thief".<br /><br />This is exactly the behaviour which statists (including mini statists) insist could never happen - that private defense agencies arise spontaneously on the market, AND that they provide free protection to the poorest and most in need.<br /><br />It is happening there in Ferguson, <br /><br />all the while the cops sit on their over upholstered behinds - not just liberty but the beautiful spontaneous order of anarchy is happening http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/16/ferguson-protesters-guard-stores_n_5684042.html<br /><br />http://www.sovereigntynetwork.com/purple-haze--anarchy-in-ferguson-by-guy-buddy.html<br /><br />As for the argument that some people are so lowly that they need the state<br /><br />I refer you to the "If men were angels" argument:<br /><br />"If men were angels - government would be un-necessary, but as it would be composed of angels, it would also be harmless.<br /><br />but men are not angels, they are vile creatures, therefore any government composed of men would also be vile"<br /><br />now have a look at how vile, with Officer Fu*k You, as exhibit A: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-20/ferguson-cop-points-gun-protesters-and-press-screams-i-will-fing-kill-you-has-been-r<br /><br />As to why the lamestream might be omitting from mentioning the volountary efforts to protect property, this little piece of fiction from the film V from Vendetta might give some indications: http://youtu.be/tHsa31hjsog<br /><br />KeithAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-74032144389494005772014-08-21T06:21:42.578-06:002014-08-21T06:21:42.578-06:00It must first be pointed out that there is no evid...It must first be pointed out that there is no evidence at all that Shaneen Allen is a thug by any definition, unless we are to assume that her ethnicity is evidence of incipient thuggery. <br /><br />The libertarians in whose company I am comfortable don't give a "free pass" to thugs of any color or description, but we recognize that the thugs who are of greatest concern to us are those who claim a license to commit aggression. That category includes, but is not limited to, the police.<br /><br />Libertarianism is a rejection of aggressive violence by anybody, which is why it is the <i>only</i> morally defensible social model. If the non-aggression principle were followed in Ferguson and the other cities you list, predatory violence by both private thugs and the state-licensed variety, would be rejected and resisted. <br /><br />Diversity doesn't detract from that principle; it validates it: The ongoing breakup of the unitary state, and localized race-conscious entitlement systems (Detroit offers a good example) could lead to a wide variety of local political arrangements, which I think would be a good thing, in the long term. William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-41550132403894319702014-08-21T04:38:39.609-06:002014-08-21T04:38:39.609-06:00It's really disgusting how so many libertarian...It's really disgusting how so many libertarians give a free pass to black thugs. I believe in libertarianism, but I also recognize that libertarianism cannot exist in all societies.<br /><br />If libertarianism was implemented in Ferguson, Detroit, DC, New Orleans, New York, or Los Angeles, the result would be the equivalent to a Third Congo War.<br /><br />You can have diversity or freedom, but not both.TAShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00260719592299142917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-34785895227410754622014-08-20T15:29:07.315-06:002014-08-20T15:29:07.315-06:00There is only one way to stop this sort of behavio...There is only one way to stop this sort of behavior - the behavior of prosecuting people for exercising their Rights.<br /><br />Good Men must stop standing aside, doing nothing.<br /><br />KKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17465944474238091234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-82316756997287905332014-08-20T09:04:10.965-06:002014-08-20T09:04:10.965-06:00They want to take this woman away from her childre... They want to take this woman away from her children for doing something that no reasonable person would consider a crime.” <br /><br />There seems to be no such thing as a "reasonable" politician in New Jersey. <br /><br />Anyone reading this that is a NRA member, don't wait for some attorney, write them yourself. They have a contact form on their web site. Robert Fowlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03475193874676131196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-39920775828320899342014-08-20T07:56:11.654-06:002014-08-20T07:56:11.654-06:00It will indeed require some screaming. The media ...It will indeed require some screaming. The media likely will not touch this one because it would appear that they were supporting firearms ownership.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23524896427348957692014-08-20T07:50:56.450-06:002014-08-20T07:50:56.450-06:00Put your money where your mouth is people, help th...Put your money where your mouth is people, help this young lady out.<br /><br />Mr. Grigg thank you for this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-38481701132767839232014-08-20T06:35:09.439-06:002014-08-20T06:35:09.439-06:00The disparity in treatment between Shaneen Allen a...The disparity in treatment between Shaneen Allen and Todd Doering may have nothing to do with race. If I were her defense attorney, however, I would get in McClain's teeth about this issue, and scream about it in the press. William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-44168573049703796052014-08-20T06:27:43.814-06:002014-08-20T06:27:43.814-06:00GOA has already mentioned this case on their popul...GOA has already mentioned this case on their popular Facebook page. <br /><br />Facebook.com/gunowners Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com