tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post8127485342686097163..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Federal Provocateurs: The "One Percent Solution" (Updated, Corrected, February 3)William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-15309921970980339432010-08-13T18:27:09.385-06:002010-08-13T18:27:09.385-06:00Hal Turner was found guilty today (at his third tr...Hal Turner was found guilty today (at his third trial).americafarmhttp://billwhitetrial.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-50842230743966972112009-08-05T08:03:18.952-06:002009-08-05T08:03:18.952-06:00It seems that Hal Turner is currently in Federal c...It seems that Hal Turner is currently in Federal custody. Below is a press release from his attorney (Source: http://family-of-hal-turner.blogspot.com/):<br /><br />The following is the press release that the attorney released on 7/30/2009:<br /><br />FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE<br />JULY 30, 2009<br /><br />FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Michael Orozco, Attorney at law<br />973-735-2683<br />ARREST OF RADIO HOST HAL TURNER<br />Chicago, IL –<br /><br />On June 2, 2009, Hal Turner, sitting in his home in New Jersey, opined on his web site that the recent opinion of three judges in the Seventh Circuit was unconstitutional. That opinion was legally protected free speech pursuant to numerous rulings by the U.S. Supreme Court.<br /><br />Three weeks later, the FBI executed a search warrant on his home in North Bergen. Nothing illegal was found, yet Mr. Turner was arrested and charged with violating a federal statute which makes it a crime to threaten to assault or injury a judge in retaliation of the performance of their official duties. Mr. Turner never, under any circumstances, meant this communication to be seen as a true threat to these judges.<br /><br />Since his incarceration Mr. Turner has been subjected to de-humanizing conditions at jail. This is not justice; this is the persecution and mistreatment of Mr. Turner through administrative means. He has been denied medical treatment; he has been denied access to a means to contact his family for weeks, as well as his attorneys; he has been declared a high level threat despite the fact that he has never committed an act of violence, and; had caps on his teeth removed as he was told they could be used as a weapon.<br /> <br />Currently Mr. Turner’s blood pressure has reached an alarming number, yet he has received no medical attention. The pleas from his family to the jail have gone unanswered.<br /><br />At the July 28th, 2009 bond hearing, Magistrate Judge Ashman gave Mr. Turner’s attorneys more time to produce evidence of his prior acts while working as an FBI informant and immediately after which resulted in numerous lives being saved and sophisticated military hardware from being placed into the black market.<br /><br />What goes around comes around, stukach!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-10670985169963883712009-02-15T12:34:00.000-07:002009-02-15T12:34:00.000-07:00Thanks, JP. I sure hope things are going better fo...Thanks, JP. I sure hope things are going better for you. <BR/><BR/>Things are going to get really ugly, really soon -- even without the kind of "help" we're likely to get from troublemakers on the government payroll. To be blunt, I'm really not looking forward to the next couple of years....<BR/><BR/>You take care, my friend.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-18732644606769308002009-02-15T09:56:00.000-07:002009-02-15T09:56:00.000-07:00Wow, William. I thought Turner was full of shit wh...Wow, William. I thought Turner was full of shit when he boasted about being an FBI informant.<BR/><BR/>I'd be remiss in my responsibilities if I didn't make some hay out of this.<BR/><BR/>I think this is one of your best posts ever, dude. You're the kind of conservative I can work with.jurassicporkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01673461210301442978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-87412079057690706642008-02-05T00:16:00.000-07:002008-02-05T00:16:00.000-07:00Makes me ashamed that I attended William Chrisman ...Makes me ashamed that I attended William Chrisman High School.Al Newberryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12702350396853727859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-91208930739401352832008-02-04T18:39:00.000-07:002008-02-04T18:39:00.000-07:00http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/019...http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/019138.html<BR/>Another reason why being taken alive, even by local police, now, is no longer an option. If people haven't gotten the message yet, it's time to become self sufficient and become an expert in self defense, against any thugs, no matter what garb they are wearing.<BR/>LouisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-82443713435723186342008-02-03T18:18:00.000-07:002008-02-03T18:18:00.000-07:003 February I'll be a busy fellow, with a case o...3 February<BR/><BR/> I'll be a busy fellow, with a case of Will's books to get read.A Radical Whig in Chattanoogahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16209842924038331622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7405322987423202342008-02-03T13:28:00.000-07:002008-02-03T13:28:00.000-07:00Will - I just read your book, and if you will perm...Will - I just read your book, and if you will permit me a few comments...<BR/><BR/>I had little or no interest in, nor knowledge of, politics until I was 16, and a sophomore in High School. I had a very liberal World History teacher (Ron Tinsman – one of those teachers you remember your whole life.) One day I came home from school and repeated something he said. My father said, no, no, no, that's not even close, and then told me the truth. I don't even remember what the subject was, just what it led to. From that point on, what often happened was that I would go back to school and repeat what my father said, the teacher would say something in reply, I'd tell my father, he'd tell me the real story, and the cycle started all over again.<BR/><BR/>It was a great class, and I loved "debating" my teacher. What was cool was that even though he was liberal, he didn't hold it against you that you had a different opinion than he did, which is rare. I got an A in that class all year, yet I argued with the teacher the entire time. It was great fun. Sometime soon after this all started, my father gave me a book, and said if you really want to know what's going on, here's what you need to read. The book was <I>None Dare Call it Treason</I>, by John Stormer. It was written prior to the '64 election to provide support for whoever the "good" candidate turned out to be (Goldwater, although that wasn't known at the time the book was written.) It was a great book at the time to explain the "basics" of what was going on in politics, the media, education, etc. – the liberal slant, corruption in the government, communist infiltration, and so on. That was the book that got me started. I was fascinated, and couldn't put it down. I think he gave it to me on a Friday night, and Saturday he sent me out to clean the car, but I was in the car reading the book instead of cleaning the car.<BR/><BR/>Jumping forward a few centuries (well, it seems like it), we now have Will's new book, <I>Liberty in Eclipse</I>. Someone has rightly compared it to <I>None Dare Call it Treason</I>. And just like Stormer's book opened the eyes of many of that generation, Will's book is going to do the same for this generation.<BR/><BR/>Ron Paul is this country's second Thomas Jefferson. And whether he wins or not, our task is far from over. No matter who wins in November, we still have a Sisyphean battle ahead of us, because eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. As Ludwig von Mises wrote years ago in his great book, <I>Socialism</I>, <BR/><BR/>"Everyone carries a part of society on his shoulders; no one is relieved of his share of responsibility by others. And no one can find a safe way out for himself if society is sweeping toward destruction. Therefore everyone, in his own interests, must thrust himself vigorously into the intellectual battle. None can stand aside with unconcern; the interests of everyone hang on the result. Whether he chooses or not, every man is drawn into the great historical struggle, the decisive battle into which our epoch has plunged us." <BR/><BR/>One way you can you can carry out your share of that responsibility is by reading Will's book, and then buying and passing on copies to your friends, family, and people of influence. Write a letter to the editor of your local paper. Send a copy to your Congressman and then hold his feet to the fire. <BR/><BR/>While it is hard to condense the message of Will's book into a paragraph or two, let alone a sentence or two, there are a few sentences in his book that do a pretty good job of summarizing the message: <BR/><BR/>"To revisit a point made at the beginning of this book: No terrorist attack can possibly be as deadly as government unchained from its constitutional restraints…We must not forget that under existing laws, policies, practices, and official assumptions – a relatively small portion of which is examined in the foregoing chapters – everything necessary for the practice of totalitarianism is in place. In principle – if not in practice – the regime that rules us is totalitarian in nature. Whether practice catches up to principle is the chief question that should occupy the time, and inspire the efforts, of freedom-loving people."<BR/><BR/>That's it in a nutshell. And, as if to illustrate that point, this article in today's New York Times couldn't be more timely: http://tinyurl.com/ysobyaMister Spockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04790678390017800846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-29957628564317384092008-02-02T14:46:00.000-07:002008-02-02T14:46:00.000-07:00BTW, Will, here's another drug raid gone wrong, ex...BTW, Will, here's another <A HREF="http://hamptonroads.com/2008/01/im-not-murderer-they-make-me-out-be" REL="nofollow">drug raid gone wrong</A>, except this time an officer died rather than the resident.<BR/><BR/>This one was in my neck of the woods. You may or may not want to examine this case. At a glance, it looks to me like it could be a <A HREF="http://www.wavy.com/global/story.asp?s=7810835" REL="nofollow">plausible self-defense case</A>, but of course when a cop with a search warrant is involved, regardless of the circumstances, a self defense argument, however plausible, is rarely accepted by a jury.<BR/><BR/>Because, you know, Leviathan agents are looked upon as "gods" of righteousness and all that...sigh.dixiedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-87619872979760594192008-02-02T14:38:00.000-07:002008-02-02T14:38:00.000-07:00The man, Shareef, should've had the SENSE to tell ...The man, Shareef, should've had the SENSE to tell Chrisman to bugger off, to beat it! That he had no interest in <I>associating with</I> the stranger. Since he CHOSE not to do that, he was eaten by the system. I just have difficulty buying into the "entrapment" angle. It's nonsense to me.<BR/><BR/>That said, when it comes to manufacturing plots, or outright lying, then I agree one is obviously being falsely accused and railroaded. But again, like I said in a previous thread, you can't just "flap your lips" to strangers these days about <I>anything</I>, especially "blowing stuff up," even if in jest, because fabricatiing plots and "evidence" is becoming the rule of the jungle these days. There are informants, anonymous tipsters, and neighborhood crows and buzzards (busybodies, gossips) who, if miffed at you or hate you for whatever reason, would like nothing better than observe <I>your</I> residence being raided by the po-leese (sic).<BR/><BR/>As the <I>Rolling Stone</I> article you quoted says: "To find threats to thwart, the task forces have increasingly taken to using paid informants to cajole and inveigle targets like Shareef into pursuing their harebrained schemes."<BR/><BR/>You have to admit, Will, one can't "sweet talk" or "disguise" a bomb plot as if it's, say, handing out candy to toddlers. If that was possible, I might see a <B>weak</B> case for "entrapment."<BR/><BR/>But the reality is that Shareef, regardless of his current station in life, as it's irrelevant, obviously <I>liked the idea of destroying private property</I> all on his own. "Jameel" simply prodded and excited Shareef's already existing thought he had shackled himself with. I've been vehicle-less and w/o a permanent address and with little means in my life, yet I'd be immediately suspicious of a "Jameel" character trying to "cajole" or "inveigle" me to do <I>anything</I>, let alone agree to a bomb plot, however innocuous and "victimless" it may appear.<BR/><BR/>Is "Jameel" a corrupt misfit and loathsome character? Absolutely, but there are a hoard of these character types in the populace as you even pointed out; nevertheless, that doesn't lessen Shareef's culpability <I>in agreeing to collaborate in destroying another's personal property</I>. There's a huge gulf between merely talking about "blowing stuff up" and plotting to actually destroy another's personal property. IF that's what occurred and, according to this exchange, it seems it did:<BR/><BR/><I>"I swear by Allah, man, I'm down for it too," Shareef said. "I'm down for the cause. I'm down to live for the cause and die for the cause, man."<BR/><BR/>When Jameel got his car back from the garage, the two men went to case the mall.<BR/><BR/>"If you ever wanna back out . . . 'cause, you gotta let me know," Jameel said. "I'm checking your heart now."<BR/><BR/>"I'm down," Shareef said.<BR/><BR/>"We ain't gonna get caught," Jameel assured him. "Don't worry."<BR/><BR/>"I'm not worried about getting caught," Shareef replied. "Not alive."</I><BR/><BR/>...then Shareef needs to be held accountable. What that would entail is another matter.<BR/><BR/>One has to be able to evaluate or at least get a quick snapshot of another's character upon meeting them, especially one who seems so strangely and unusually interested in you for whatever as of yet unknown reason. That would immediately raise red flags with me anyway.<BR/><BR/>Didn't Shareef ask any questions of "Jameel" upon meeting him and gauge his responses? Then again, perhaps if one is a gamma male, being "entrapped" so to speak might be possible I reckon. I'm just a hardcore cynic and skeptic as it is so I'm not easily taken in even for seemingly innocent collaboration or a simple business exchange, never mind a "harebrained scheme" like a mall bombing plot.dixiedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-17002475231052286092008-02-02T12:47:00.000-07:002008-02-02T12:47:00.000-07:00Hi again.Sorry for the confusion: I don't publish ...Hi again.<BR/><BR/>Sorry for the confusion: I don't publish the Winter Patriot blog -- although I do read it! <BR/><BR/>I share your opinion of it, though ... and I thought you might be interested in WP's newest, which ties this story together with a few others:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2008/02/bogus-terror-feds-wage-war-against-rule.html" REL="nofollow">Bogus Terror: Feds Wage War Against The Rule Of Law</A><BR/><BR/>cheers<BR/>Pat HiverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-17605628335621368902008-02-02T11:11:00.000-07:002008-02-02T11:11:00.000-07:00old news. you go to a gun show or a militia meetin...old news. you go to a gun show or a militia meeting and there are more feds than citizens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-31775338821013264862008-02-02T10:29:00.000-07:002008-02-02T10:29:00.000-07:00LIES PUT TO REST!ACCUSATIONS OF ME (HAL TURNER) BE...LIES PUT TO REST!<BR/>ACCUSATIONS OF ME (HAL TURNER) BEING FBI INFORMANT TOTALLY DISPROVED DURING LIVE RADIO SHOW!<BR/><BR/>Southern Poverty Law Center story about me has been totally discredited. <BR/><BR/>Full details and a complete itemization of facts during a special, January 30 "Hal Turner Show" lay everything out to the public.<BR/><BR/>Guests on the show also put to rest a slew of other vicious accusations:<BR/><BR/>Tripp Henderson spoke on the air to confirm who paid for the Knoxville Rally trip expenses and that the U.S. Secret Service raid at Tripp's house was prompted by a report they got from a guy in Canada.<BR/><BR/>Jay Faber of Aryan Nations spoke on the air to confirm that he and I outed a real FBI informant, James Mazzone the former New Jersey State Leader of Aryan Nations. Mazzone knew his cell phone had been tapped by law enforcement because that's how they Indicted him for drug dealing (THIRD OFFENSE!). Mazzone continued using the tapped phone to conduct Aryan Naations business, knowing the cops were listening, but Mazzone never warned anyone that his cell phone was tapped and that he knew it was tapped.<BR/><BR/>Steve Churchill from Illinois spoke on the air to confirm that when he got jammed-up by New Jersey cops on a bullshit gun charge that I personally signed for his TEN THOUSAND DOLLAR BAIL and that I was personally on the hook for that money if he skipped-out on the charges. <BR/><BR/>Not only do I not inform on anybody, I actually have a track record of bailing guys out!<BR/><BR/>My wife Phyllis came on the air to confirm we are NOT getting a divorce, there is no "physical and mental abuse" and there is no "drug and alcohol problem" as viciously rumored about me on the Internet. The rumor was total bullshit. <BR/><BR/>Later, when someone claimed it wasn't my wife on the air, but was actually my mother, I put both my wife (in Studio) and mother (from her Pennsylvania home) on the air to talk to each other proving the truth!<BR/><BR/>I pointed out that my rallies in Kingston NY and Kalamazoo, MI cost those cities $60,000 and $120,000 respectively in police overtime and that there's no way the FBI would have approved anything like that by an informant because the cities would have demanded the money back!<BR/><BR/>I talked about how many in the Pro-White movement stab others in the back by siding with enemies like the Southern Poverty Law Center. <BR/><BR/>I also pointed out how PARANOID FREAKS (like this blog) seize upon any source - credible or not - to perpetruate and feed their paranoid delusions.<BR/><BR/>In fact, there was so much more, I'm putting the archive up for you to hear the full two hour show.<BR/><BR/>I have pledged four more Hal Turner Shows over each of the next four weeks. If enough money comes in from listeners to cover that expense, you'll get four more shows in March. If not, the end.<BR/><BR/>When I quit on January 9 it was for a whole slew of reasons outlined in my show. The long and short of it was that I was emotionally and financially spent, my feelings were hurt by the back-stabbing scumbags in the movement and I needed time off.<BR/><BR/>I've had a few weeks to relax and am willing to bring the show back, but YOU have to pull your weight with the money. No more fucking around figuring someone else will donate. YOU are the "someone else" so put $5, $10, $20, $50, $100 in the mail so we can meet the $1100 expenses for the next month of show. I will post the contributions received on this site so all of you can see.<BR/><BR/>Archive of Show:<BR/>http://www.halturnershow.com/HTS-01-30-08.mp3HalTurnerShow.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11533294043767586778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-19796998352712098312008-02-02T07:46:00.000-07:002008-02-02T07:46:00.000-07:00In the Shareef case, the 'grenades' which the FBI ...In the Shareef case, the 'grenades' which the FBI handed him before arresting him were just empty shells with some weighted stuffing inside. Even if he had escaped from the set-up, he couldn't have destroyed a damned thing with those dummy weapons.<BR/><BR/>What terrorism charges have in common with drug charges is that you can get sent up for the thoughtcrime of talking about it, even if there are no actual weapons or drugs. Certainly this provides lucrative fodder for the prison-industrial complex. But it does nothing to neutralize actual threats.<BR/><BR/>The 1967 book "Report From Iron Mountain" described the search for an alternative to war as a means of social control: "A viable political substitute for war must posit a generalized external menace to each society of a nature and degree sufficient to require the organization and acceptance of political authority."<BR/><BR/>Although the book was later claimed to be an elaborate hoax, Nixon's federal War on Drugs initiated in 1970 conformed almost perfectly to its criteria. The War on Terrorism is a rather diabolically brilliant adjunct, as it adds the necessary flash-bang-boom element of drama and random threat which is simply lacking from even mountainous seizures of heroin and cocaine.<BR/><BR/>These 'wars' have had their desired effect of changing our culture. Thirty years ago, government abuses such as Cointelpro and Watergate were investigated by Congress, and corrective action taken. But abuses of similar scale today -- illegal wiretapping which contravened the FISA act; the Downing Street memos which suggested the possibly treasonous falsification of intelligence -- provoked no comparable Congressional response. Not only has the executive branch seized control, but also in our altered culture, few care.<BR/><BR/>The U.S. Constitution enunciated what the Founders thought were timeless values. But starting with the 'living Constitution' slogan of decades ago, it has been successfully marginalized as a passing 18th century 'natural rights' fad, now wholly obsolete. A counter-Revolution is complete, and its path is not reversible via the legal processes which got us here. Each door through which we stepped clicked shut and locked behind us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-89593013480534649402008-02-02T00:01:00.000-07:002008-02-02T00:01:00.000-07:00Wow! Great post! You've done a lot more work with ...Wow! Great post! You've done a lot more work with this than most of the bloggers I've checked out. <BR/><BR/>There's more on Chrisman and Shareef here:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2007/12/burned-meet-william-chrisman-fbi.html" REL="nofollow">Burned! Meet William Chrisman, FBI Entrapment Specialist</A><BR/><BR/>More on bogus terror for political purposes here:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2008/01/inadequate-deception-impossible-plots.html" REL="nofollow">Inadequate Deception: The Impossible Plots Of The Terror War</A><BR/><BR/>cheers<BR/>Pat HiverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com