tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post766017001879461875..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Tyrants, Torturers, and Taxmen: Pillars of "Civilization"William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-64212531589989453062010-03-05T02:01:05.071-07:002010-03-05T02:01:05.071-07:00The failure of the steel is due to two factors: lo...The failure of the steel is due to two factors: loss of strength due to the temperature of the fire, and loss of structural integrity due to distortion of the steel from the non-uniform temperatures in the fire. This can lead to fall/ not-fall of steel buildings <br />----------------<br /><a href="http://www.steelmasterusa.com/" rel="nofollow"> Steel buildings </a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16314891138808373351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-18619672902990089862010-02-26T09:02:20.419-07:002010-02-26T09:02:20.419-07:00I once asked someone how a man or woman could wake...I once asked someone how a man or woman could wake up one morning and spit out, "I want to work for..."X" agency, dept, ad-nauseum"? How is that disconnect possible? Just as someone chooses to buy apples over oranges they use their free will to choose whom they render their services to and in return are rewarded by their masters. This is no different than mafia foot soldiers being paid by their bosses for the extortion and theft pushed on their "clients". At least they might admit what they are rather than hiding behind all the nationalistic window dressing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-77892501201818011852010-02-25T18:52:48.782-07:002010-02-25T18:52:48.782-07:00Regarding the actions of Joe Stack; I don't kn...Regarding the actions of Joe Stack; I don't know that I can agree with your assessment of "unsupportable"... His actions were certainly imprudent, and (especially given the span of time over which he contemplated his response) not very effective. I think that "not very effective", along with the acknowledgment that Stack probably endangered some innocent bystanders, is about as strong a condemnation that I can muster. As for sympathy for the employee of that egregiously evil empire known as the IRS that he did manage to take with him, I have none at all. I also fail to comprehend how knowledge that the vicious parasite accomplished reproduction is of any import whatsoever in this accounting. For the ruin of how many lives, and for how many unjust deaths, does that unlamentable scum share culpability? Where is the generous eulogy of "father", "mother", "son", "daughter", "brother", "sister", "grandfather", or "grandmother" for his unheralded victims?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-79860448247581678992010-02-25T03:27:40.616-07:002010-02-25T03:27:40.616-07:00(Continued...)
In addition, the water mains in th...(Continued...)<br /><br />In addition, the water mains in the southern part of Manhattan were taken out by the WTC 1 and 2 collapses, and the sprinklers in WTC7, and the fire hoses, were inoperative. Any firefighting you saw in the days following 9-11 was provided by NYC's fire boats in the harbor, which were, every last one, running 24/7 pumping water out of the Hudson River to the firefighters on scene.<br /><br />In addition, there were not only fires in WTC7. The falling debris from the WTC North Tower took out a 10-story high chunk of the WTC7 building near the bottom on the south face, to a depth about 1/4 of the way through the building, further weakening the structure.<br /><br />In addition, when it finally did collapse, there were no audible explosions on the lowest floors, which always precede a controlled demolition.<br /><br />Now, 20 minutes BEFORE the building collapsed the BBC in London announced that it HAD collapsed. This I had found highly suspicious, until one reads that the sides of the building were visibly bulging, it was creaking and groaning, and the NYC Fire Chief had ordered all firefighters out of WTC7 some 2 hours before the final collapse, which came as no surprise to anyone on site.<br /><br />Finally, the WAY the building collapsed LOOKED exactly, precisely, the way a controlled demolition looks, beginning in the middle so that the structure does not collapse outwards but falls in on itself. I was convinced controlled demolition was what it was, until I read all these facts, and realized that because of all the structural retrofits, the removal of 3 floors, the huge hole punched in the middle of the lower floors, the weight of the transformers and generators, the foundation being smaller than the final building built over it, the tanks of diesel fuel, that yes, it makes perfect sense that the center came down before the rest, and the building collapsed first from the weakened lower floors, then progressed upwards.<br /><br />I for one have changed my mind on WTC7. I believe it collapsed under its own weight, and from the fires and ALSO the damage from falling debris.<br /><br />Now, if you are still unconvinced, let's not digress this blog away from the topic of the IRS. Let's just agree to disagree in our beliefs about WTC7.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />Lemuel Gulliver.Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-88076035452578508592010-02-25T03:25:09.641-07:002010-02-25T03:25:09.641-07:00Sans Authoritas,
Like you, I was originally convi...Sans Authoritas,<br /><br />Like you, I was originally convinced WTC 7 was a demolition job. However, the Wikipedia article on the subject has changed my mind. In particular, it says: <br /><br />"The building was constructed above a Con Edison substation that had been on the site since 1967. The substation had a caisson foundation designed to carry the weight of a future building of 25 stories containing 600,000 sq ft (55,700 m²). The final design for 7 World Trade Center was for a much larger building covering a larger footprint than originally planned when the substation was built. A system of gravity column transfer trusses and girders was located between floors 5 and 7 to transfer loads to the smaller foundation. The fifth floor functioned as a structural diaphragm, providing lateral stability and distribution of loads between the new and old caissons. Above the seventh floor, the building's structure was a typical tube-frame design, with columns in the core and on the perimeter, and lateral loads resisted by perimeter moment frames."<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center<br /><br />This design above Floor 7, of core and perimeter columns connected by trusses, was the same as WTC Towers 1 and 2, and is NOT - NO WAY - the same as a standard steel-frame building which is a honeycomb of steel verticals and horizontals in a cubical-box configuration. You are correct - no building of this latter type has ever collapsed due to fire.<br /><br />In addition, to accomodate a larger building on a smaller foundation (as you read above) the column design was again modified from the standard interlocking cubes.<br /><br />In addition, AFTER completion most of the building was leased by Salomon Brothers, and to accomodate their needs most of 3 floors were removed to create a 30-foot-high trading floor, and the remaining shell was strengthened with 350 tons of added steel beams. This retrofit again weakened the structure. <br /><br />In addition, from the beginning, this was not a cubical building, which would have been very strong, but a trapezoidal shape, wider at the back than the front, and no corner of the building was the same angle as any other corner. And this angular outer column array was supposed to bear the load of the building, along with the inner core columns.<br /><br />In addition, there were 12 large transformers on the 5th floor of WTC7, (the floor which was supposed to transfer the building load to the old substation too-small foundation,) and several very heavy emergency diesel generators at various sites on the lower levels, and a large tank of diesel fuel (24,000 gallons) in the basement.<br /><br />I'm not a structural engineer, but all of the foregoing sounds to me like if there was any criminal behavior, it was in the NYC permitting process which allowed such a structure and its interior modifications to be built at all.<br /><br />(Continued...)Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-49702542439049286762010-02-24T23:57:15.523-07:002010-02-24T23:57:15.523-07:00Workingstiff,
Thank you for the link. One more roc...Workingstiff,<br />Thank you for the link. One more rock to add to the thousands that are crushing us.<br /><br />All,<br />In the days of my youth, the Book of Revelation frightened me. I never thought it would one day be a source of hope and comfort to me. But now, it is. A beacon of hope for a rain of cleansing fire to wash over the world.<br /><br />How far we have come. Yesterday was another country. Yesterday was another life. Today, this is not a life. Today, this is a nightmare. <br /><br />I want to wake up screaming, but I can't.<br /><br />It continues. And continues. And continues. And continues. And continues.<br /><br />I endorse the sentiments by a few above: Those who earn their bread from an organization which commits murder, theft, and rape, and enslaves human beings, are never innocent, and must expect to pay the price when Justice comes down like fire on their heads and Retribution like lakes of boiling suplhur.<br /><br />Everyone is saying it. Even James Howard Kunstler's latest weekly blog is entitled: "Rehearsals for a Civil War?" And Paul Craig Roberts' latest essay is entitled: "The US is a Police State." Quote:<br /><br />"Anyone can be next. Indeed, on February 3 Dennis Blair, director of National Intelligence told the House Intelligence Committee that it was now "defined policy" that the U.S. government can murder its own citizens on the sole basis of someone in the government’s judgment that an American is a threat. No arrest, no trial, no conviction, just execution on suspicion of being a threat. This shows how far the police state has advanced. A presidential appointee in the Obama administration tells an important committee of Congress that the executive branch has decided that it can murder American citizens abroad if it thinks they are a threat."<br /><br />http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts279.html<br /><br />St. Paul's letter to the Ephesians, Chapter 6, verse 12:<br /><br />"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood; but against Principalities, against Powers, against the Rulers of this world's darkness; against spiritual wickedness in High Places."<br /><br />Spiritual wickedness..... Filth. Rottenness. Evil. Corruption. Decay. Murder. Rape. Lies. Cruelty. Vice. Horror. Death.<br /><br />I want to wake up screaming, but I can't.<br /><br />Lemuel Gulliver.Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-84887736523952241012010-02-24T22:31:05.738-07:002010-02-24T22:31:05.738-07:00"I am still wondering why that building didn&..."I am still wondering why that building didn't collapse from the fires like the 3 in NY on 9/11...isn't that what happens when steel structured building catch fire?"<br /><br />Bob, that's the first thing I thought of when I saw that photo. WTC 7. And you're right: that's precisely what they told us happens. They just fall straight down. Right after you see the windows blow out along the length vertical support beams. Because that's what fire does. But only to buildings in the U.S., apparently. Overseas fires can burn in undamaged steel buildings for hours and still not fall.Sans Authoritasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-53927463105310677192010-02-24T17:37:12.587-07:002010-02-24T17:37:12.587-07:00Grigg, This just in.
Katrina Police Lieutenant ch...Grigg, This just in.<br /><br />Katrina Police Lieutenant charged for covering up deaths of innocent civilians by trigger-happy LE's<br /><br /><i>At one point, the bill of information says, Lieutenant Lohman was frustrated that the cover-up story in the report, which was drafted by a police sergeant, “was not logical,” so he “personally drafted up a 17-page false report” and provided it to the sergeant to submit as the official report. Lieutenant Lohman is also described as lying in an interview he gave to the F.B.I. in May of last year. </i><br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/25/us/25orleans.html?hpwWorkingstiffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704481541680166926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-39513992043222300952010-02-24T16:22:54.535-07:002010-02-24T16:22:54.535-07:00As far as the poor gov't employee - he chose h...<i>As far as the poor gov't employee - he chose his fate for himself and his family...</i><br /><br />Concur, SST, one hundred percent with this part of your statement (as far as "too bad there weren't dozens more that died with him" goes, well, I just can't bring myself to actively <i>WISH</i> death on anyone, however deserving of it they might be). <br /><br />Far from being an "innocent victim" who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, Vernon Hunter was a willing employee of an organization that he knew is dedicated to wholesale theft, as well as strategic murder and destruction of property. It is, IMNSHO, <b><i>impossible</i></b> that any adult human being of sound mind and anything above a room-temperature IQ would not know that working for such an organization as the IRS entailed the enabling of criminal and unconstitutional acts and that aiding and abetting said acts would at some point put a target on one's back. The same thing applies to anyone on active duty in the armed forces who is serving in a hostile fire zone or as part of an occupation force: It does not matter that <b><i>you, personally</i></b> have never gratuitously killed or maimed anyone or destroyed private property in the course of your official duties. The mere fact that you wear the uniform and are clearly affiliated with an organization that does so (and does so with brazen impunity) conveys the message that you condone your employer's crimes and that you will yourself commit them without question when ordered to do so. While Vernon Hunter might not have been an IRS field agent responsible for initiating the confiscation of money and assets that impoverished and ruined innocent American citizens and that destroyed countless lives, while he might not have been a gun-toting member of an IRS SWAT team, whatever job he did ENABLED those white-collar criminals and their armed gangster-thug enforcers to commit those crimes against the people. For this Hunter should have expected no less than to be put in harm's way.<br /><br />There's a lesson here to be learned by anyone working for a government agency, especially a federal one, and particularly those who pack heat for the state: re-read the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights; your willingness to not only respect, but to uphold and defend them may be the thing that at some point in the future will save your life. Yes, it ultimately will mean a career change, but what's that compared to the ability to stay above ground and breathing, to look at yourself in the mirror without retching, and to sleep soundly at night?liberranterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-14216751381245278102010-02-24T16:21:37.543-07:002010-02-24T16:21:37.543-07:00Can you give examples of what you would call activ...<i>Can you give examples of what you would call active resistance?</i><br /><br />In using that expression I'm referring to deliberate refusal to surrender taxes to the IRS employing, among other things, the kind of tactics used by our country's founding Tax Rebels. <br /><br />QB, I'd never heard of Max Igan before -- thanks for the tip. And thanks for the kind words about the radio show, and for your good taste in classic album-oriented rock. :-)William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-79017255753928930172010-02-24T16:15:34.106-07:002010-02-24T16:15:34.106-07:00Hey Will! Love the radio show and listen to it via...Hey Will! Love the radio show and listen to it via USB stick in the car radio on the way to work all the time. <br /><br />Have you ever heard of Max Igan? Was wondering what you thoughts were of him. Your two shows make up for most of what I listen to in the car. (with the exception of a little Boston and Phil Collins thrown in for good measure)QBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-51854738184348180292010-02-24T15:22:38.800-07:002010-02-24T15:22:38.800-07:00At least with the IRS, as loathsome as they are, y...At least with the IRS, as loathsome as they are, you have the opportunity to have taxes based on actual earned income.<br /><br />There is one other cretin in leviathan's bag of tricks that not all of us have had the unfortunate consequence of fighting off. One with all the power of the IRS, but one which can assign a 'speculative income' to you based on past earnings.<br /><br />And worse, it exploits children in the process - it is the unconstitutional family courts. Lose your job and they 'impute' what your income should be based on previous work. And they can garnish wages, lien property and have you jailed based on said speculation.<br /><br />For the past six years I have had a combined income tax/c$ of 70% of taken before I put a roof over my head or food on the table for my kids and myself. Joe Stack is a hero in my book, if for nothing else than striking back and leaving nothing but ashes in his wake. As far as the poor gov't employee - he chose his fate for himself and his family, too bad there weren't dozens more that died with him.<br /><br />In Male Fide<br />Sic Semper TyrannisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-29254817080589576892010-02-24T13:12:13.248-07:002010-02-24T13:12:13.248-07:00I left a comment at the SPLC about how the IRS has...I left a comment at the SPLC about how the IRS has decided that we're enemies, to be pillaged when compliant, and exterminated when we resist. I also asked why the SPLC didn't monitor them as a hate group. My, but it was dumped quickly!<br /><br />Can you give examples of what you would call active resistance?Crotalusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-70118787956797028792010-02-24T12:18:20.720-07:002010-02-24T12:18:20.720-07:00I am still wondering why that building didn't ...I am still wondering why that building didn't collapse from the fires like the 3 in NY on 9/11...isn't that what happens when steel structured building catch fire?R.S. Ladwighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13487404072546513179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-44206831752341045902010-02-24T12:03:26.128-07:002010-02-24T12:03:26.128-07:00The first principle of freedom is ECONOMIC FREEDOM...The first principle of freedom is ECONOMIC FREEDOM. IF another party, who has done nothing, can take all or part of your earnings, for whatever reason, YOU ARE THEIR SLAVE, regardless of the semantics used to describe this situation. <br /><br />From the above, slavery is alive and well in the U. S. I guess the rule is as always: what is a crime for the citizen is good business for govt to be participating in.<br /><br />LAND OF THE FREE...kirknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-43940233703310627922010-02-24T10:57:50.822-07:002010-02-24T10:57:50.822-07:00So you're saying that all we can do is resort ...<i>So you're saying that all we can do is resort to harsh language?</i><br /><br />I'm saying that a good place <i>to begin</i> is by <i>reclaiming</i> the language.<br /><br />I do not discourage more active resistance to the IRS (Stack's suicide bombing was an act of nihilistic despair, not one of active resistance), or disparage those who choose that route, but have to acknowledge candidly that I'm not pursuing that course for reasons explained above.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-80598912099203691772010-02-24T10:52:40.944-07:002010-02-24T10:52:40.944-07:00So you're saying that all we can do is resort ...So you're saying that all we can do is resort to harsh language?jdoggnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-59644798436615510312010-02-24T07:59:57.865-07:002010-02-24T07:59:57.865-07:00call things by their proper names! the battle-cry ...<a href="http://no-state.blogspot.com/2009/01/english-lesson-1.html" rel="nofollow">call things by their proper names</a>! the battle-cry of both lysander spooner and (probably) confucius.jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02615104086703717817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75777284540811578922010-02-23T23:07:41.803-07:002010-02-23T23:07:41.803-07:00I admire you and the Waffen-SS, what should I do?
...<i>I admire you and the Waffen-SS, what should I do?</i><br /><br />Well, if that's a sincere description of your sentiments, you should start by making up your mind.:-)William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-90226929284678199272010-02-23T22:14:15.395-07:002010-02-23T22:14:15.395-07:00Dear Mr.Grigg,
I admire you and the Waffen-SS, wh...Dear Mr.Grigg, <br />I admire you and the Waffen-SS, what should I do?Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00740668904926516649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1178499688447205012010-02-23T18:34:15.043-07:002010-02-23T18:34:15.043-07:00Worse is better, Comrade. Worse is better.
I know...Worse is better, Comrade. Worse is better.<br /><br />I know a guy who had all the materials used in his business disallowed a deductions. That was around 18 years ago. 18 years and two bankruptcies latter, he has his life back, owns nothing, and has no prospects.<br /><br />These people do what they want, when they want. It's a crap shoot. You could be next.<br /><br />I suspect that within the next 2-5 years we may see more desperate people giving bureaucrats the "Stack" treatment.<br /><br />I'm convinced that's why so many lifelong legislators are retiring. They understand that it's mathematically impossible for federal debt obligations to ever be repaid. They're hoping that the sheeple will forget about them when the fit hits the shan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-69186860455311634492010-02-23T18:18:25.812-07:002010-02-23T18:18:25.812-07:00I didn't file for over ten years and finally t...I didn't file for over ten years and finally they caught up with me. I hired an accountant to determine the real damages - it was significantly less than the amount the IRS came up with. I paid it off, via a loan, and am still in debt today because of it. I weighed my options beforehand and figured due to being newly married it was not prudent to tell the IRS to stick it. Since then I file every year and pay their shakedown fee. Regardless I hate the bastards and the whole rotten demonic system they help to support. I laugh inside because their system is in its death throes and will self destruct without any help from me. All Empires fail - history has proven this. That is my story such as it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-18400381606872231012010-02-23T15:22:40.410-07:002010-02-23T15:22:40.410-07:00Love the Waffen-SS recruiting poster redux! I used...Love the Waffen-SS recruiting poster redux! I used to work in an establishment selling adult beverages and had to have a license to do so. A few years back the states version of the IRS suspended my liquor license and said I owed some insane amount of back taxes. Luckily I got through to a czarina on the telephone and pleaded my case. I told her I had W-2 forms going back 20 years and could dispute the case. I told her she must have mixed me up with someone else as I didn't make squat and could prove it. Somehow it was my lucky day and she made the corrections on their computer. Sometimes I wonder if these agencies are 'phishin' for people that will cower and give up and just pay so they don't have the hassle.Jake Hambonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-68911573244606106282010-02-23T13:48:59.454-07:002010-02-23T13:48:59.454-07:00"My disagreement over 'prudential calcula..."My disagreement over 'prudential calculations' applies to my case alone, which is the only one over which I have any authority."<br /><br />Will, that's what I was hoping for, that your disagreement was not blanket but particular. As mentioned, it's totally understandable that not all of us can slip the chains, at least not yet.<br /><br />I imagine that you have enough allowable deductions that you pay nothing into the beast at the end of the day, anyway. <br /><br />It was only after I had quit the system, some 15 years ago, that I learned about how the currency system really works, that it's the printing press, not the taxes, that funds the Beast. The taxes are about controlling inflation and behavior, not paying for unlawful, unconstitutional programs.<br /><br />Nevertheless, in spite of the inherent hardships involved, it's good to be as far away from the system as possible as early in the game as possible (but I still haven't figured out how to work and acquire necessities without the use of federal reserve notes).<br /><br />I do believe a day is coming soon when Americans, well, everyone on the planet, really, will have a hard decision to make in regards to staying in or getting out of Leviathan's system, when the use of it's money will mean a microchip implant and total, silent submission. I hope that day is very far off, but the signs are not encouraging.Have You Had Enough Yethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18053875440181992185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-18316954222797761182010-02-23T12:59:45.652-07:002010-02-23T12:59:45.652-07:00Looks like the IRS itself got "punked" b...Looks like the IRS itself got "punked" by some South Florida jail inmates:<br /><br />http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/02/20/v-fullstory/1491783/south-florida-jail-scams-turn.html<br /><br />I wonder how these criminal thugs (the IRS, not the jail inmates) are going to "extract" repayment from people with no money?liberranterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.com