tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post7648682399998117621..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Child Theft, "Concentration Camps": It's Happening HereWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-44759507295014843382008-12-21T16:04:00.000-07:002008-12-21T16:04:00.000-07:00First of all mr Griggs it wasn't San Antionio the ...First of all mr Griggs it wasn't San Antionio the children and mother's were taken to!<BR/> San Antionio is 150 miles from El Dorado and the Ranch.<BR/> They were taken to San Angelo, to a historic landmark called Fort Concho, which is actually a lovely place. It has been restored, and yes although its not living quarters, it was large enough for for the the begining influx of children and mothers.<BR/> They were moved seveal days later to a larger facility, the coliseum.<BR/> Instead of posting a newspaper article, it would of have been nice if you had posted the Court Document of Questioning in court of Angie Voss and others.<BR/> Its online.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-40754582701957467992008-07-17T11:45:00.000-06:002008-07-17T11:45:00.000-06:00I am personally ashamed of the behavior of our gov...I am personally ashamed of the behavior of our government. But, we allow it and that is even more shameful.<BR/><BR/>If you want to see the true obstacle of freedom, look in a mirror.<BR/><BR/>Ron<BR/><BR/>onedollardvdproject.comRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03463516410418055855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-64940917546248715812008-05-27T14:41:00.000-06:002008-05-27T14:41:00.000-06:00alaskagain 7.24: I love your sense of irony. You...alaskagain 7.24: I love your sense of irony. You want to ask people for whom organised sports are important to investigate the behaviour of government employees who kidnapped children. That is so cute.<BR/><BR/>Doc Ellis 124Doc Ellis 124https://www.blogger.com/profile/08543939658083915285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-52227632867912246382008-05-27T08:24:00.000-06:002008-05-27T08:24:00.000-06:00Doc Ellis 12412:21 PMAs far as the feds go, it's n...Doc Ellis 124<BR/>12:21 PM<BR/><BR/>As far as the feds go, it's not that I want to see troops going into foster homes and retrieving the kids -- double the trauma on that one. <BR/><BR/>At a minimum, I would like to see the Senate investigate this situation in particular, and the abuse of power by states' child/family agencies in general. <BR/><BR/>It would at least feel good to hear a federal level politician stand up and say "It looks like rights have been violated here, at least insoafar as the original search warrant goes." Even it they continue with the blah blah of "Let's watch Texas, and let the process continue."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-3059658145326366262008-05-19T14:19:00.000-06:002008-05-19T14:19:00.000-06:00anon 8.53:1/ true 2/what's your point? 3/is this c...anon 8.53:<BR/>1/ true 2/what's your point? 3/is this conversation on-topic? if not, seeme at my danceofthefuries blogspot.<BR/>(note:I'm not very bright. you have to explain things to me. my favorite word is duh?)<BR/><BR/>Doc Ellis 124Doc Ellis 124https://www.blogger.com/profile/08543939658083915285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-4018232842155573192008-05-18T21:53:00.000-06:002008-05-18T21:53:00.000-06:00"If state employees, appointed by God,(Romans 13:1..."If state employees, appointed by God,(Romans 13:1-4, I Peter 2:13) choose to remove and slay your offspring, they are only obeying your savior by suffering the little children to come to him(Matthew 19:14, Mark 10:14-15, Luke 18:16-17.)"<BR/><BR/>Well...Joseph & Mary sure didn't wait around for Herod's social workers to show up at their door. They took their kid and beat it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7782057597047989602008-05-17T19:25:00.000-06:002008-05-17T19:25:00.000-06:00Anon 5.08: It appears that you and I have accepte...Anon 5.08: It appears that you and I have accepted the principle of self-government. I have no problem with using lethal force to defend myself or another. My point is that there is no need to use religious justifications to advance the case for self-defence, a right you posses as a matter of course.<BR/>For a better treatment of my position see William Paul's article in the May 17-18 edition of LewRockwell.com. Entitled "Thou shalt not kill for government".<BR/><BR/>Doc Ellis 124Doc Ellis 124https://www.blogger.com/profile/08543939658083915285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-55043381013901448932008-05-17T18:08:00.000-06:002008-05-17T18:08:00.000-06:00Document my case?Doc, you appear, in all respects,...Document my case?<BR/><BR/>Doc, you appear, in all respects, to be an intelligent, literate, and thoughtfull individual. Having said that, I generally do not do another's research for them. My beliefs and opinnions may not be shared by all and I am fine with that. But do not dismiss me as someone who's positions have not been arrived at through exhaustive research, soul searching, and a lifetime of thought and prayer. I do not justify my beliefs to anyone.<BR/><BR/>Your points are well made. I simply do not subscribe to the same doctoral interpretations as you. I do not believe the Lord intended His followers to be pacifists in the face of their enemies and there are scores of scriptural passages which illustrate this. Forgive me if I do not list them here. Certainly, you are as aware of as many as I am. Probably more since I have never claimed to be a scriptorian.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, however, we, as Christians, should never be the aggressor in conflict but I believe that should conflict be brought upon us, it is our very solemn duty to use whatever means necessary to repel the threat. I can see no more justified use of force than the protection of our offspring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-3738172049883216642008-05-17T13:21:00.000-06:002008-05-17T13:21:00.000-06:00alaskagain 9.18:you're kidding about bringing in t...alaskagain 9.18:<BR/>you're kidding about bringing in the Feds, right?<BR/><BR/>Doc Ellis 124Doc Ellis 124https://www.blogger.com/profile/08543939658083915285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-21033596283757806982008-05-17T13:18:00.000-06:002008-05-17T13:18:00.000-06:00anon 10.30: document your case, or go home. this c...anon 10.30: document your case, or go home. <BR/>this continues from 5.19<BR/>You are in the world, not of it. Your savior authorised you to preach the gospel to every creature. He did not authorise you to act to right the wrongs of the world, nor even to compel non-believers to live by his rules. Not only are believers constrained from self-defence (Luke 6:28) they are even constrained from defending any one else (Matthew 26:51, Luke 21:51, John 18:11). <BR/>If state employees, appointed by God,(Romans 13:1-4, I Peter 2:13) choose to remove and slay your offspring, they are only obeying your savior by suffering the little children to come to him(Matthew 19:14, Mark 10:14-15, Luke 18:16-17.)<BR/>Remember, only those who are as little children can enter the kingdom of heaven. <BR/>Your Lord for whatever reason, has delegated to the Prince of Darkness<BR/>the task of managing the world until such time as he chooses to remove him from his office. (Luke 4:6) <BR/>You, by your proclamation that you would use deadly force to prevent your children from being sent home to be with the Lord, are obviously placing the welfare of your blessings above your obligation to obey the will of God.<BR/>You claim that your religion teaches that you are responsible for your offspring's care. Am I to understand that you need to be told what your responsibilities entail? Am I to understand that if your religion demands that you sacrifice your young to the service of others, that you would?<BR/>I think you need to rethink your presentation of you opinion.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Doc Ellis 124Doc Ellis 124https://www.blogger.com/profile/08543939658083915285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-90077366286808773952008-05-16T23:30:00.000-06:002008-05-16T23:30:00.000-06:00Mr. ellis,Your interpretation of the scriptures co...Mr. ellis,<BR/><BR/>Your interpretation of the scriptures could not be more wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-12342280529415569882008-05-16T22:18:00.000-06:002008-05-16T22:18:00.000-06:00I have linked to this at my blog, thank you for yo...I have linked to this at my blog, thank you for your observations, Mr. Grigg. <BR/><BR/>Please everyone, take action through your Washington, D.C. representatives and senators -- ask for - demand -- federal intervention. Email Governor Perry and let him know the rest of America is watching him shred the Constitution, which he took an oath to uphold. Email or fax the President. The only way anything will happen is if enough people make noise about it! For the sake of the children, please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-24498726631471947242008-05-16T18:19:00.000-06:002008-05-16T18:19:00.000-06:00to anon 2.44:Your savior taught that if someone st...to anon 2.44:<BR/>Your savior taught that if someone strike you, you are to turn the other cheek, that he may strike you again. Nowhere in the KJV did he ever authorise the use of force by his believers, not even to defend themselves or anyone else. Isaiah: Vengence is mine, saith the Lord. I will repay. more later<BR/>Doc Ellis 124Doc Ellis 124https://www.blogger.com/profile/08543939658083915285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-9365111359103482912008-05-16T15:44:00.000-06:002008-05-16T15:44:00.000-06:00There is little, if any, outcry from the rest of t...There is little, if any, outcry from the rest of the country on this crime simply because members of the FLDS religion are viewed as "strange" and "outside the mainstream of society". As a member of what you might call the "mainstream" LDS church, how long will it be before they come for MY children? <BR/><BR/> I do not know what is taught in the FLDS church in regards to a scenario such as this, but it has never been the teaching of my church to allow our families to be victimized in this way. Most would say "trust the system", but it is more than obvious that CPS, and the elements of the government they represent, have no interest in fairness, truth, or justice.<BR/><BR/> It IS taught in my religion that my family is a blessing given to me by God, and that it is the responsibility of my wife and myself, as parents, to see to the security and education of our children. I also do not recall any teachings of the Savior commanding His children to sit idly by while their enemies victimize them.<BR/><BR/> Therefore, in accordance to my understanding of the teachings of Christ, my understanding of my responsibilities, and my overwhelming need and desire to protect my family from criminal activity regardless of its source, ANY agency, organization, or invividual who attempts to perpetuate such an attack on my family will have death and destruction visited upon them in an exceedingly swift and brutal manner.<BR/><BR/> It is my opinnion that any parent not willing to go to these lenghts to protect THEIR OWN CHILDREN, is guilty of the most aggregious form of cowardice that I can immagine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-46719364168784581762008-05-16T10:05:00.000-06:002008-05-16T10:05:00.000-06:00Rumours of America's demise might be a bit prematu...Rumours of America's demise might be a bit premature but 4 more years of Bush/Clinton crime family rule might be the nail in the coffin. Ever see the photos of Poppy (Opium) Bush and Slick Slimy Willie interlocking fingers and flashing big grins? They are laughing at us the schleps, the golden gooses, the trough fillers. The founding fathers warned us of all these things, dynastic families hogging the levers of power, banking families taking over monetary policy, placing nations over others in trade & treaty, the danger of astronomical debt, the danger of good intention busy bodies who know what's best for you, the danger of wartime unitary executives, the danger of standing armies which are one day turned on the populace. Like the old saying goes, "nothing new under the sun." Divide and conquer is an ancient trick as well. The jews, latinos, indians, french, arab muslim, chinese, people of african heritage, (insert race scapegoat here) are not the enemy. The blood sucking vampire bankers, careering politricks as usual politicians and the clique of corporate criminal c*!$suckers that run things are the enemy, and they are not the smartest guys in the room but they have the best mind control propaganda and know how to use it. Lenin made the comment once of victory by slogans and they use that one very well. Witness people parroting save the planet carbon footprint tripe for proof of this. Lenin also made a comment about society could go in 1000 different directions but the sheep must never know this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-22511673729782157412008-05-15T18:38:00.000-06:002008-05-15T18:38:00.000-06:00Mr. Grigg,You are to be commended for keeping this...Mr. Grigg,<BR/><BR/>You are to be commended for keeping this story going because it is otherwise fading into yesterday's obscurity.<BR/><BR/>Keep fighting the good fight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-16191557700873370592008-05-15T18:35:00.000-06:002008-05-15T18:35:00.000-06:00Now, they can be wearing all black, boots, carryin...Now, they can be wearing all black, boots, carrying <I>sturmgewehren,</I> wearing coal-scuttle helmets, and taking children from their mothers, but they're not evil or tyrannical until they're wearing swastikas on their arms. And speaking a foreign language. <BR/><BR/> -Sans AuthoritasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-61663923723493966632008-05-15T15:35:00.000-06:002008-05-15T15:35:00.000-06:00I agree with Frank Silva, but your date is wrong.T...I agree with Frank Silva, but your date is wrong.<BR/><BR/>The Obituary should be dated 1972 when the smallest but most significant persons of our society were sentenced to death through 'Roe'.<BR/><BR/>Until we restore their (the babies) rights, America is dead. <BR/><BR/>I am personally willing to be part of any effective movement to accomplish that goal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-86489822594220778842008-05-15T14:58:00.000-06:002008-05-15T14:58:00.000-06:00While these peaceful, God-fearing families are bei...While these peaceful, God-fearing families are being militarily assaulted by the government, the government (Judiciary) just announced the sanctioning of homosexual "marriages" - If ever there was/is a nation deserving of God's wrath and destruction, it is America, I'm sorry to admit.<BR/><BR/>Without question, hell and the Lake of Fire was meant for those responsible who directed, executed and aided and betted in these crimes against humanity. Hitler and the European Nazis didn't escape damnation, nor did Stalin and the communist tyrants - and neither will any of these. <BR/><BR/>NO ONE WILL ESCAPE GOD'S JUDGMENT AND WRATH OUTSIDE OF THE CROSS OF HIS SON - And no one with a godly conscience could participate in such evil and live with themselves. <BR/><BR/>I am NOT Mormon - they're theology and doctrines are antithetical to the genuine Judeo-Christian Faith. HOWEVER, I/WE owe them a duty of care to defend their Constitutional GOD-GIVEN INALIENABLE RIGHTS to live their lives, raise their children and practice whatever faith they hold, PERIOD! <BR/><BR/>This attack is not simply on FLDS - THIS IS A DIRECT ATTACK ON ALL AMERICANS, just as Pastor Neimoller's immortal words attest. <BR/><BR/>WHERE ARE THE CHURCHES AND "CHRISTIANS" DEFENDING THE GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS OF THESE PEOPLE OF FAITH, REGARDLESS OF WHEHTER THEIR FAITH IS NOT OUR FAITH?! Who will defend Christians when they come for us (AND THEY ARE COMING FOR US JUST THE SAME!)? <BR/><BR/>Doubt this statement? READ about the ongoing attack on a CHRISTIAN CHURCH in Michigan:<BR/>http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58665 <BR/><BR/>The hour of tyranny and darkness is upon us - WHERE ARE THE AMERICAN PATRIOTS TO RISE UP AGAINST SUCH OPEN TYRANNY AND EVIL ON OUR OWN SOIL BY OUR OWN GOVERNMENT?! <BR/><BR/>Where is the ACLJ (Christian Law Center) and the Rutherford Institute and other Christian Legal organizations? <BR/><BR/>I'm dissiminating this report to all RON PAUL PATRIOTS, news organizations and everyone I know. <BR/><BR/>JOIN THE RON PAUL REVOLUTION AND DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! LONG LIVE LIBERTY. LIVE FREE OR DIE!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-90966908029169925832008-05-15T10:08:00.000-06:002008-05-15T10:08:00.000-06:00"[the mothers were] separated from older children ..."[the mothers were] separated from older children (12 and up) for days and not even allow[ed] to wave at them across the open field, [and] told they would never see them again if they continued to wave"<BR/><BR/>The only reason I can conceive of for this is that they are telling the children that their parents don't love them any more, and use the lack of waving as evidence to the children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-19461798625546748412008-05-15T06:10:00.000-06:002008-05-15T06:10:00.000-06:00"With incorrigible dishonesty comes great tactical..."With incorrigible dishonesty comes great tactical flexibility, particularly if the incorrigible party is permitted to ignore the rules, as is the case with the CPS."<BR/><BR/>Will, there are no rules within the so called family court system. You and I live in Idaho where where we have the Idaho Administrative Procedures Act (most states have something similar) which empowers bureaucratic agencies of many stripes to act totally outside of the review of any court - it is up to the aggrieved party to mount a case at great expense against the state and it's unlimited resources.<BR/><BR/>The following link is to an article which speaks to the very nature of the lawlessness of the family courts (CPS is simply the enforcement arm):<BR/><BR/>http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/10/22/terri.htm<BR/><BR/>What you are seeing with the FLDS has been increasing since the late 90's because federal funds are incentive to the states to behave in such a manner. <BR/><BR/>Anyone even remotely associated with the family courts/CPS/H&W - I wouldn't piss on them to put it out if they were burning up in a fire . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-5369752929804621092008-05-14T23:44:00.000-06:002008-05-14T23:44:00.000-06:00ObituaryBy Frank Silva 14/05/08 "ICH " -- -Today w...Obituary<BR/><BR/>By Frank Silva <BR/><BR/>14/05/08 "ICH " -- -Today we mourn the death of the United States of America. America died today at the age of 231, just fifty-one days short of her 232nd birthday. With America dies Democracy, Liberty, Individual Rights, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and Freedom as they all came to be known in the glorious years after America was born on July 4th, 1776. Although it is clear that America did not die of natural causes, no cause of death was released. Authorities also report that despite America’s death, upcoming elections will be held as scheduled and in the interest of those elections no autopsy would be conducted. Some scholars and historians have said, however, that no autopsy is needed. They indicated that America clearly died of the burden of national debt, the stress of trade imbalance coupled with the demise of manufacturing, the inequity of Class divisions, and most of all from the heartache of the loss of her dearly departed Middle Class. Adding to America’s ill-health and decline were the erosions of vital internal organs including limited executive power, healthy legislative functions, justice, checks & balances, transparency, compassion, and, of course, journalism, which through an independent democratic media made America’s heart continue beating strong and kept her mind sharp and focused throughout most of her life. Unfortunately for America, both heart and mind declined rapidly in recent decades. <BR/><BR/>Scholars and historians again say the blame for this lays squarely on the corporate take-over of America’s vital functions that in the end became so infected and spread so quickly that nothing could be done. In her final days America had been on life support, but that remained unknown to the public even as late as yesterday when a White House briefing proclaimed America healthy and as strong as an ox. And last night, taking a cue from the White House, Fox News did an in-depth report on the health and vitality of America in anticipation of her upcoming birthday. Fox News stands by their story today even as reports of America’s death are confirmed. <BR/><BR/>With her death America leaves behind the grieving mothers, widows and other loved ones of all the brave soldiers killed in all her noble wars since the declaration of our independence, through the disagreement of our house divided against itself and through the reuniting of our great Union. America also leaves behind those self-evident truths that are no longer self-evident or, apparently, true. Many people do not realize that all men were not created equal; all men were created equal some years after the United States of America was born and remained equal only for a few short years of her life. But as America aged and was finally placed in a nursing home, shortly after Ronald Reagan’s first inauguration, all men once again became unequal and America’s health started to decline. America’s finest hour was her fight against Fascism, once thought to be her greatest victory, which turned out to be, in the end, what finally consumed and killed her. America also leaves behind 299,700,000 tired, poor and huddled masses yearning to breathe free. She will be sorely missed. <BR/><BR/>No services are planned for America due to the ongoing presidential election campaigns but in a statement released by the White House it was reported that America will be interred in Halliburton Park, formerly known as Arlington National Cemetery, between Sam Walton, founder of Wal-Mart and the ashes of what are believed to be Ken Lay, former CEO of Enron.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-17562966553260553962008-05-14T23:40:00.000-06:002008-05-14T23:40:00.000-06:00Looks like the third way hybrid of national social...Looks like the third way hybrid of national socialism and communism is coming into being right on schedule. Nothing is made here anymore so we can game the system by having one half of the sheep spy on the other half. Security state bureaucracy can be the other great cash cow. We killed the golden goose taxpayers already. They are busy working 72 hours a week for some bullsh1t lifestyle. Ohh and the kids veee must keep them safe ja?, veee know what is best for der kinder errr children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-91983854816496390362008-05-14T19:33:00.000-06:002008-05-14T19:33:00.000-06:00........when they burned up the Waco children I di...........when they burned up the Waco children I didn't say anything, I wasn't a Branch Davidian, when they stole the FLDS children I didn't say anything............and when they came for me nobody was there to say anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com