tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post5980763611142996508..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Collectivist Child Abuse (Fourth Update, 4/18)William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-44451245619621626302009-09-22T15:06:53.601-06:002009-09-22T15:06:53.601-06:00It may interest you to know that Rozita Swinton no...It may interest you to know that <a href="http://hughmcbryde.blogspot.com/2009/09/update-again-on-rozita-source-says.html" rel="nofollow">Rozita Swinton now turns out to have worked for officers of the Colorado Springs Police Department</a>.Hugh McBrydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16926516260588481185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-55523698289978527822009-03-30T12:20:00.000-06:002009-03-30T12:20:00.000-06:00Foster Parents get more money for kids on meds.Foster Parents get more money for kids on meds.kellinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-32849399618460838962008-04-21T09:25:00.000-06:002008-04-21T09:25:00.000-06:00Anonymous in the UK.... Keep looking for an out. ...Anonymous in the UK.... Keep looking for an out. UK policies are quite repugnant as are most western EU nations. Look to Eastern Europe, Central America or South America to escape from, as much as possible, this collectivist mentality. My rule of thumb is that if a nation is too poor (i.e. hasn't stolen enough tax money to "fund" government machinations) then it is a prime candidate for examination. Notice that any country that is busily "helping" it's citizens too often is one to be wary of.<BR/><BR/>I've noticed while reading this latest piece by Will how Governor Perry slipstreamed so easily into GW's jackboots. He's evasive, dismissive and contemptuous of anyone questioning his "authoritah". Not so unlike the former Guv. This is the same party commisar who would forcibly have your daughter inoculated for sexual diseases without your consent. Think about that. Especially all you so called conservative bible believers.<BR/><BR/>Texas is, in my mind, a socialist state extraordinaire and any fantasies people cling to about it being populated by "wild and woolly" freedom-loving cowboys are fueled by television or crack!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-54813323889868402762008-04-21T05:36:00.000-06:002008-04-21T05:36:00.000-06:00Look, a lot of you still living in America are und...Look, a lot of you still living in America are under the illusion that there is still a real spirit of liberty in the nation. If that were the case, at least ONE person in New Orleans would have shot the police during the post Katrina gun confiscations. Everyone meekly surrendered. Until the average, middle class "non criminal" chooses to actually use violence to defend their liberties in large numbers, there will be no check on expansive police authority.<BR/><BR/>Sadly, that spirit no longer exists in the USA. I think a lot of the "liberty or Death" spirit of the past was linked to the fact that many people who escaped to the colonies felt they had nowhere else to go if British tax tyranny took root, so they fought (in small, but significant numbers).<BR/><BR/>I don't think the average, fat (which is average in the USA), comfortable, 500 channel watching person will ever fight the government. After generations of public schooling, everyone bows before the state.<BR/><BR/>The best thing to do is to get OUT of the USA. In areas that are ostensibly less free on paper, you are often freer in practice. Go to www.escapeartist.com. So many Americans are already actively fleeing the USA and its tyranny and getting second passports. Try to open a Swiss account on an American passport. It will be instructive.<BR/><BR/>An American passport is often a real ball and chain when attempting to do business abroad because of the ham fisted way the USA has forced foreign banks who do business in the USA (almost all have at least a subsidiary branch or account for wire transfers), and the USA extorts their compliance through such a mechanism (even the Swiss).<BR/><BR/>Living abroad is the real road toward actual personal liberty, and with the Internet, it has never been easier to actually telecommute from far, far away.<BR/><BR/>Though temporarily in the UK now, my long term choices are Costa Rica, Fiji, or Uruguay (at least if and until further travel uncovers better places).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-66913897644785134032008-04-20T13:50:00.000-06:002008-04-20T13:50:00.000-06:00Our case is very similar to this one in that a chi...Our case is very similar to this one in that a child was taken from our home because we were fundamental Baptists. That just means we dress modestly, etc. But since she's been taken from us and put in her father's home, she's been sexually abused, etc. Even after being informed of this, the Judge recently decided to leave her where she is. This sort of thing is going on all across the country. Our story is at www.dangerousopinions.com. We live in a county in Alabama that has a divorce rate in the high 70 percent range - one of the highest in the country. And who does our county elect to be head of family court? A man who's been married five times. Please quit electing liberals. They are destroying our country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-80096172372298147092008-04-20T01:58:00.000-06:002008-04-20T01:58:00.000-06:00An online search reveals that Rozita Swinton (32) ...An online search reveals that Rozita Swinton (32) has a possible roommate/associate named Christal R. Frakes (39) and/or Virgina Rosamond Morgan (44). A Google search on Christal Frakes is associated with Ecofeminism. My guess is that Rozita Swinton may have been motivated by her feminist associates in the CPS community.<BR/><BR/>The media keeps portraying the FLDS as intolerant of outside views, but it seems to me the group most intolerant are the radical feminists who hate men more than they love either women or children. The feminists and family court lawyers and judges have built an entire industry around their campaign to minimize men in the lives of their children. When other women don’t cooperate with the feminist agenda, the CPS, Police, Public Schools and Hospitals get involved and present a threat of removing even healthy, well-balanced children from their homes and placing them, in some cases, with known pedophiles. Other beneficiaries of the feminist industry include Planned Parenthood and owned politicos. There is no doubt in my mind that these hundreds of innocent children are in MUCH GREATER DANGER of being physically, emotionally and sexually abused in the homes of complete strangers acting as so-called foster parents than back in their FLDS community. Texas has a terrible history of foster care and juvenile center abuses, and anyone should question the qualifications of foster parents, their background checks, motivation, financial reward, etc. From what I’ve seen on television, these kids look very clean, well fed, polite, and peaceful. Would it be better to convert the girls into anorexic, gang bang saddle tramps? Or to turn the FLDS boys on to Ritalin, violent games and pop culture? I would say the odds are 80% or better that the next news we hear on television is that one of the young girls has been raped by her foster mom’s boyfriend or husband or that one of the babies has been shaken to death by a CPS-friendly child care worker. All the court needs to do is just prosecute any FLDS man who has married an under-age 17 year old. Leave the rest of the community alone. Return these beautiful, healthy, godly children to their parents. Stop trying to usurp the role of parent for the sake of a feminist-run family court industry.<BR/><BR/>This CPS industry is so large and powerful that our only hope of defeating it is that it will no longer receive tax-funding when our entire economy collapses due to systemic corruption at the highest levels, moral bankruptcy, destruction of the American family, and enormous debt-funding associated with costs of the military, welfare, family court and prison-industrial complex. I hope Texas is the first state to go bankrupt, and I hope it’s this case that is the straw to break the camel’s back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-18941061020529330272008-04-19T23:33:00.000-06:002008-04-19T23:33:00.000-06:00These aren't the only people who abuse children. T...These aren't the only people who abuse children. There is this group that wears odd clothes, and the men wear pigtails. Soon after a baby boy is born, a knife is used to cut his penis. What can be more abusive? God only knows what they do to baby girls. They must be stopped! Stop the abuse! Save the children! STOP THE JEWS!! TAKE AWAY THEIR CHILDREN!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-61445053611326844122008-04-19T21:13:00.000-06:002008-04-19T21:13:00.000-06:00Apologies to Cat Stevens (I don't know what his ev...Apologies to Cat Stevens (I don't know what his evul islamofascist nom de guerre is) in no way was i inferring that he is a terraist.<BR/>At one time Cat was on the no fly list. I was including his name with Emmanuel Goldstein err Osama bin Carlyle Group err you know what I mean to illustrate what a bravo sierra farce the war on terrorism is. The neo-feudal corporate scientific dictatorship is in high gear and people who are not awake now are probably goners. Kissinger is on record as saying anyone who opposes globalism is a terrorist. <BR/>The real war is on any knee that won't bend whether it's christian polygamists, people who know too much about the constitution, horn rimmed glasses wearing pc geeks on laptops reading and commenting on blogs or those pesky islamofascists who won't kiss the posterior of the IMF and world bank and have strict religious code against usary and interest. I owe my finely tuned tyrannist bravo sierra detector to my Scottish grandmother and her well stocked library many an hour was spent reading Plato, Eric Blair Orwell, Huxley and insider studies of nazi Germany. Part of the problem with the unawakened is the only reading material in the house is the telephone book or a tv guide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-19577947374585883682008-04-19T20:25:00.000-06:002008-04-19T20:25:00.000-06:00this case smacks of another case of governmental "...this case smacks of another case of governmental "false flaging". Where the government tells what ever lie or accuses who ever the achieve their means. We came to this country to avoid religious persecution and this is another case of the patriot act terrorizing americans Our government seems to be goose stepping with the Hitler style of dictatorship.... be afraid America..be VERY afraidmaximhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16807743228810715062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-19062894991460979392008-04-19T20:24:00.000-06:002008-04-19T20:24:00.000-06:00"They want you to get the message: there is no rig..."They want you to get the message: there is no right and wrong. Only power and privilege."<BR/><BR/>WE got that message already as did Vicki Weaver. Ditto the 1.5 million Iraqi kids.<BR/>http://www.wizardsofaz.com/waco/picturethis.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-27319228852774851532008-04-19T19:38:00.000-06:002008-04-19T19:38:00.000-06:00With apologies to Niemoller:When they came for the...With apologies to Niemoller:<BR/><BR/>When they came for the Davidians (to save the children) I did nothing, since I wasn't a Davidian.<BR/><BR/>When they came for the FLDS (to save the children) I did nothing, since I wan't an FLDS.<BR/><BR/>When they came for the homeschoolers (to save the children), I did nothing, since I wasn't a homeschooler.<BR/><BR/>When they came for the rest of the Christians (to save the children), I did nothing, since I really wasn't a Christian.<BR/><BR/>And when they came for me, I could do nothing, because there wasn't anyone else left to speak out on my behalf.<BR/><BR/>This Texan living temporarily east of the Mississippi is outraged and ashamed at this ruthless act of a raw aggression by a totalitarian Texas state bureaucracy.<BR/><BR/>I am even more angry at my fellow Texans for allowing - for applauding - this outrage. Where are your cajones, Texans?<BR/><BR/>Bigamy is wrong; child abuse is wrong - no argument. But to storm a peaceful religious community with military armor, automatic weapons, and SWAT tactics, to imprison innocent, uncharged women and children, to forcefully separate mothers from their children...all on the pretense of a now-shown to be a faked anonymous accusation...is this America, or Nazi Germany? Is this Texas, or Stalin's Russia?<BR/><BR/>My fellow Texans have lost the pair they're born with - and if you're a Texan, you know full well both sexes used to have 'em.<BR/><BR/>The Texas I knew would have seen thousands of outraged, armed to the teeth citizens storming the CPS prison camp, and releasing these people, reuniting families, and "chastising" the perpetrators of this fraud as an example to Austin that they may govern, but they will never rule.<BR/><BR/>But most of the posts I've read about this outrage in hundreds of websites I've checked in the last week generally accept - and more than a few applaud - this mother of all violent home invasions by a reckless and corrupt state agency more concerned about its budget than about really looking after any children.<BR/><BR/>And the judge??? A willing accomplice to the attack.<BR/><BR/>Are Texans citizens or a republic - or subjects of an emperor? Freemen with unalienable rights - or tax-slaves meekly obeying a fascist state?<BR/><BR/>Sadly, I already see the answer.<BR/><BR/>I can only pray that when the truth comes out in full, this proves to be yet another CPS fraud - and THIS time, I pray that CPS is finally destroyed, the Austin criminals and callous murderers of seized children imprisoned or executed as they richly deserve, this judge buried, and the State of Texas bankrupted, by the mega-billion dollar lawsuits that must surely follow.<BR/><BR/>And if this just blows over because the courts refuse to uphold citizens' rights against a power-mad state, and because a complicit news media makes more out of rumors at the compound than the truth we see before our eyes, and if the wimps and idiots that must now people a once proud state wring their hands and do nothing in their own collective defense... then I guess it isn't worth going back to Texas anymore...<BR/><BR/>Except in the vanguard of a liberation army of enraged parents, tired of state-sponsored terrorism of our kids.<BR/><BR/>Eventually, there will be blood.<BR/><BR/>Oh, wait, that was Waco...so now we have TWO scores to settle!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-63317873355630428532008-04-19T17:47:00.000-06:002008-04-19T17:47:00.000-06:00When the ruling class does evil, that is called la...When the ruling class does evil, that is called law and order. If you suggest self-defense against them, that is called inciting violence. <BR/><BR/>There is no hope. The message of this horrific kidnapping by insane monsters is that there is no hope.<BR/><BR/>They want you to get the message: there is no right and wrong. Only power and privilege.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-58126740016315428822008-04-19T17:05:00.000-06:002008-04-19T17:05:00.000-06:00As deplorable as the state of the Texas foster car...As deplorable as the state of the Texas foster care system may be, it does not excuse the systematic paedophelic sexual slavery and brainwashing of countless females at the hands of the FLDS.<BR/> <BR/>This is not about religious freedoms or any kind of educated consentual adult choices. This is about a bunch of horny old men systematically raising generations of brood sows for their own perverted sexual pleasures and justifying it with religious trappings.<BR/><BR/>The foster system is one issue, the FLDS is another. Do not confuse the two.Aktaionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18044466856872120921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-89709712014889013612008-04-19T15:11:00.000-06:002008-04-19T15:11:00.000-06:00Thank You and God Bless You!!! It's always great t...Thank You and God Bless You!!! It's always great to find a Christian Libertarian! They say a picture is worth a thousand words<BR/>The picture of The Armored Personel<BR/>Carrier with the words "SHERRIF" written on the side...says to me anyway??? that are closer to a police state than even I feared!!!<BR/>Why in heavens name does a local government need an APC similar to the one I was in ..in Vietnam???<BR/>Anyway Thank You for keeping us informed<BR/> Johnny Boy jbjAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-68147827322385858852008-04-19T14:10:00.000-06:002008-04-19T14:10:00.000-06:00I consider myself somewhat liberal in my views and...I consider myself somewhat liberal in my views and find this one of the most distasteful things I have seen. This country is so screwed up. It would seem that conservatives are starting to eat their own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-81425328661211001442008-04-19T13:19:00.000-06:002008-04-19T13:19:00.000-06:00In my view, what this boils down to is a religious...In my view, what this boils down to is a religious argument. The FLDS group is not a member of the Protestant sects that dominate Texas, so immediately they are labeled a "cult" and as such, are perfectly subject to abuse by the State. Since they are "cult" members, they have no legal rights in the eyes of far too many Americans. Probably the biggest bone of contention is the "plural marriage". It is just not socially acceptable to have more than one wife at a time (serial marriages interrupted by divorce are perfectly OK). This despite the fact that most other cultures throughout most of history have embraced multiple wives as perfectly normal. These fundamentalist Statists are dedicated to wiping out any cult or religious group that does not kowtow to their dictates, and views of morality. What it boils down to is "my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend." But this time, one group has real guns on the side of its imaginary friend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-73592228688021271162008-04-19T13:08:00.000-06:002008-04-19T13:08:00.000-06:00Will,I have followed events of this nature for som...Will,<BR/><BR/>I have followed events of this nature for some years now. After the Waco incident there was no longer any doubt that the government cares for American citizens only insofar as those citizens continue to provide revenue for the government. And since the revenue base is so wide, killing a few of us does not seem to concern the "authorities". Faced with this degree of indifference toward the rights and security of the American people, my decision to use any necessary force to prevent such an attack on my family has been an easy one to make.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-54756342660176023912008-04-19T12:08:00.000-06:002008-04-19T12:08:00.000-06:00captain obvious said..."... a hairy terraist in a ...captain obvious said...<BR/><BR/>"... a hairy terraist in a cave with kidney problems is plotting with cat stevens to kill us all."<BR/><BR/>Osama bin Goldstein, Eurasia, and that Cat Stevens, I always knew, "PEACE TRAIN" was commie propagandaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-39072530144585546962008-04-19T12:04:00.000-06:002008-04-19T12:04:00.000-06:00CPS' Marleigh Meisner still at it, she was doing t...CPS' Marleigh Meisner still at it, she was doing the deed at Waco and now ElDorado. Some things don't change.<BR/><BR/>Let's give a big hand to the American people who supported the G at Waco and now at ElDorado.<BR/><BR/>Makes you proud to be an American doesn't it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-47186109195209442152008-04-19T09:46:00.000-06:002008-04-19T09:46:00.000-06:00@Louis...we may have ROT yet, but it better not be...@Louis...we may have ROT yet, but it better not be under that megalomaniac McLaren, who used ROT just to launder money. I saw it happen.<BR/>http://www.somethinghappeninghere.netAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-62426070495827984022008-04-19T08:38:00.000-06:002008-04-19T08:38:00.000-06:00Source: www.9news.comCOLORADO SPRINGS - The Texas ...Source: www.9news.com<BR/><BR/>COLORADO SPRINGS - The Texas Department of Public Safety expects to have new information Friday afternoon on a woman arrested in Colorado Springs who may have a connection with a raid on a religious compound in western Texas.<BR/><BR/>According to a release from the city of Colorado Springs, police arrested 33-year-old Rozita Swinton at her home on Wednesday on a charge of false reporting to authorities, a misdemeanor. The incident she was arrested for happened in February. Swinton was taken to the El Paso County Criminal Justice Center. <BR/><BR/>According to a news release from Colorado Springs, the Texas Rangers were in Colorado Springs as part of their investigation involving the compound in Texas. <BR/><BR/>Texas Rangers have not confirmed that they are investigating Swinton. <BR/><BR/>"We're not confirming that the local arrest is related to the Ranger's investigation of the FLDS property," said Lisa Block, Texas Ranger's spokeswoman. FLDS is an acronym for The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. <BR/><BR/>Texas Department of Family and Protective Services spokeswoman Shari Pulliam told 9Wants to Know Friday that she believes the girl claiming to be an abused 16 year old is among the more than 400 children removed from the FLDS property. <BR/><BR/>"We feel like she probably is here and that during the course of the investigation we will be able to locate her," said Pulliam. <BR/><BR/>Pulliam said that her office was not able to trace the number of the person calling with allegations of abuse because the calls were made to a domestic violence shelter. <BR/><BR/>The Colorado Springs Police Department says it cannot discuss the Texas case. <BR/><BR/>Texas authorities needed a criminal complaint before they could get a warrant to search the compound. They got it when they claimed a 16-year-old girl named Sarah called them for help, saying she was inside the ranch, pregnant and scared of her abusive 50-year-old husband. <BR/><BR/>One former FLDS member, Flora Jessop, of Phoenix, who has been an outspoken critic of polygamist practices, says she thinks she may have talked to Swinton on the phone, with Swinton claiming to be Sarah's twin sister. Jessop claims to have hours of tapes of the conversations with Swinton and says they began before the raid on March 30. <BR/><BR/>Jessop said the caller also talked about alleged abuse at property owned by FLDS members in Colorado City, Arizona. Colorado City is home to a large number of FLDS members. <BR/><BR/>Jessop says the woman she believes is Rozita Swinton called again Thursday morning after Swinton bailed out of the El Paso County Jail. <BR/><BR/>"I did get her to admit to me her name was Rose," Jessop said. <BR/><BR/>The affidavit for the case in Colorado Springs has been sealed, but Jessop says police arrested Swinton for making false calls somewhere in Colorado, claiming to be an abused child. <BR/><BR/>9NEWS has learned that Swinton was arrested in Castle Rock two years ago for making a false report.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-71302803989066734912008-04-19T02:16:00.000-06:002008-04-19T02:16:00.000-06:00I am surprised that it took so long for one of the...I am surprised that it took so long for one of the writers at Lew Rockwell to speak up on the horrible crime that has been committed against the 400+children removed from their families. While I feel that cults can be harmful and damaging, in this case there was no "Sarah." While some of the women and children could very well be victims of abuse at the hands of the polygamists, they are in far more danger being in the hands of the state. I myself, was in the foster care system for a few years and I still suffer emotionally. I cannot imagine what these children are going through and it scares me to think of what is awaiting them. Thank you for shedding light on a subject that most people are turning a blind eye on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-69869418911704430942008-04-19T01:54:00.000-06:002008-04-19T01:54:00.000-06:00Are you telling us that those nearly 90 murdered f...Are you telling us that those nearly 90 murdered foster children and the hundreds of others abused were all in Texas in two years?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-6265981200080277772008-04-18T23:46:00.000-06:002008-04-18T23:46:00.000-06:00Boundary, by Eric Flint and Ryk E. Spoor, has a ch...<A HREF="http://www.baen.com/chapters/W200603/1416509321.htm?blurb" REL="nofollow">Boundary</A>, by Eric Flint and Ryk E. Spoor, has a character (Madeline Fathom) who has become a government security specialist on the back of a childhood formative experience: being rescued by a military raid from a compound of followers of a sociopathic leader. That's the stereotype you're <I>supposed</I> to be seeing here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-72205279873494250472008-04-18T21:02:00.000-06:002008-04-18T21:02:00.000-06:00The media are not bringing up the dangers to kids ...The media are not bringing up the dangers to kids in the Texas foster system at all. Right now, the foster care system is being portrayed as wonderful by Larry King et. al. Now, the reason for the state going in was the girl's supposed phone call of abuse; but now the validity of that call is in question. <BR/>Clearly, though, Jeffs and other leaders of this cult are deranged men. Girls under 16-17 should not be forced to marry; and apparently this group did this on a regular basis. But I don't see how they can legally justify taking every single child from the moms who are not the problem. It's the leadership of this cult that is primarily responsible. These kids would be much safer with thier mothers than taking their chances with a horrific foster care system. <BR/>About polygamy: reporters are complaining about the illegality of polygamy; are the husbands of these women married, in a legal sense, to only one woman, but then have spiritual marriages to others? If so, how is that polygamy under the law? If a man lives with a woman who is his wife in the eyes of the law, and also with other women with whom he has a spiritual/religious marriage, but no legal recognition- If so, how is this illegal? I mean,men and women live together all the time without benefit of legally recognized marriages. If you allow that [and gay marriage- which the reporters see as noble] how can you legally deny people who willingly enter into so called polygamous relationships? The problem with this cult is that many of the women did not neccessarily enter into these unions willingly. Whatever happens here it will be the kids who will pay the bill. I hope the media follows up on the care these kids will receive in the foster care system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com