tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post5772134467370524839..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: What's Wrong with Police in Iceland? William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-11880051501786784362013-12-10T16:52:07.100-07:002013-12-10T16:52:07.100-07:00That's right Keith - it doesn't look like ...That's right Keith - it doesn't look like Anderson could chase anyone .. or even stand up!<br /><br />The first thing I said was JABBA THE HUTT !!<br />~<br />lava<br />~Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-8448218283912054312013-12-10T15:34:23.726-07:002013-12-10T15:34:23.726-07:00Anonymous December 9, 2013 at 2:35 PM said...
It ...Anonymous December 9, 2013 at 2:35 PM said...<br /><i> It doesn't look as if Officer Anderson could CHASE anyone...HAS to shoot them I guess...</i><br /><br />There has to be some potential for satire or at least gallows humor in there somewhere.<br /><br />Here's a first attempt;<br /><br />Q: What's the difference between a certain kind of cop and Jabba the Hutt?<br /><br />A: One has a fat, cruel face and multiple chins which is attached to a repulsive slug like body, and lives a thuggish lifestyle of extortion, kidnap and murder.<br /><br />The other exists only in fictionKeithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-5091680374484736842013-12-10T10:51:09.783-07:002013-12-10T10:51:09.783-07:00William - Don't bother with Gil the Shill who ...William - Don't bother with Gil the Shill who only bothers to reply with variations of "I know you are but what am I". He just spends time in his Mother's basement penning trash so he can giggle and whack-off to your replies. The fact that he can only do so with a magnifying glass and tweezers appeals to his uber-geekness. lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-31057867924076263472013-12-10T07:51:13.291-07:002013-12-10T07:51:13.291-07:00Gil, your diction has slipped to the point where i...Gil, your diction has slipped to the point where it's nearly as infirm as your reasoning.<br /><br />People "walk down the street with real guns" all the time; most of them are police officers. If police officers are entitled to shoot armed citizens on sight, shouldn't we have the reciprocal right to kill any armed police officer who enters our field of vision?<br /><br />It appears that your chief complaint is that libertarians don't subscribe to the statist superstition that police are privileged aggressors whose lives are immeasurably more precious than those of the public they supposedly "protect." <br /><br />William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23400916760212539882013-12-10T02:55:43.964-07:002013-12-10T02:55:43.964-07:00Using force confirms that the ideas for which one ...Using force confirms that the ideas for which one professes to stand are bankrupt.<br /><br />Disarm the police and you will recruit a different kind of person into the police force. Rather than someone who is afraid and who is inclined to murder you will recruit people who are unafraid and who believe in peaceful persuasion.<br /><br />Our challenge goes beyond the police. Today we recruit into the military, the police, the law and the judiciary people inclined to murder. When nothing has meaning then murder too is meaningless.<br /><br />Robes and uniforms do not change the nature of the person who wears them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-37034928106068604162013-12-10T00:25:08.017-07:002013-12-10T00:25:08.017-07:00If there's one almost consistent thing about L...If there's one almost consistent thing about Libertarians complaining about "innocent people shot or tazed by psycho cops" is in reality someone commit a crime (that Libertarians argue are "victimless" or "victimless enough") and acting belligerent towards a police officer. I still cannot see how that gun looks like a toy except if you got close to it so I don't why anyone should claim they can carry a toy but realistic-looking gun in public with impunity. It's a tragedy it ended up the way it did but to pretend it was as to see it is as fake as a campy spaceray zapper is plain wrong.<br /><br />I think the problem Libertarians have here is that they believe a person should be able to walk down the street with real guns anyway since it's not as though they're harming anyone. Or that walking down the street with an AK-47 is their God-given as codified by the 2nd Amendment.Gilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-72193221123194671012013-12-09T20:32:36.394-07:002013-12-09T20:32:36.394-07:00The key to unlock the cage we all find ourselves i...The key to unlock the cage we all find ourselves in at this time is the judiciary. This branch of government was created, in part, to protect the people from the ambitions and excesses of the other branches of government. Nearly all important issues are ultimately determined in a courtroom. Citizens no longer have direct access to grand juries and find that their complaints are first filtered through the political office of the district attorney who will routinely refuse to prosecute anyone who is politically connected. Litigants are routinely denied standing or due process in the courts to frustrate those who seek justice from the state.<br />In Marbury v. Madison the supreme court ruled that an unconstitutional statute is void “ab initio” or from it’s inception. It reasonably follows that one of the first issues before any court should be the constitutionality of the law involved. Judges swear an oath to support and defend the constitution, within which is found your right to due process of law. Why is it that a denial of due process, the very definition of a void judgement, per Black’s 6th, never renders any judgement void or results in prosecution of the judge for perjury of his oath?<br />Judges are the gatekeepers of society. We depend upon them for redress and remedy. They have failed. In order to obtain remedy we must take back our courts by holding judges accountable.<br />“Jail For Judges” is a concept which creates an external review board to hear complaints of judges actions and negligence and to sanction judges up to and including imprisonment. When judges must choose between according due process to litigants and going to jail for failure to do so, that is when people will receive due process and not a minute before. When “Jail For Judges” becomes law in any single jurisdiction, i.e. any state of the union, a person need only move to that state long enough to establish residency in order to qualify to petition the court for vacation of a facially void judgement, which is the court record of a case which demonstrates a denial of due process.<br />People must qualify ballot initiatives to institute “Jail For Judges” and re-institute direct access for the public to grand juries to facilitate indictments against govt. actors who commit crimes. In this way the system may be used to purify itself and to return our country to a constitutionally restrained republic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75191108193405501362013-12-09T14:35:01.170-07:002013-12-09T14:35:01.170-07:00It doesn't look as if Officer Anderson could C...It doesn't look as if Officer Anderson could CHASE anyone...HAS to shoot them I guess...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-14214597338506712222013-12-08T22:54:50.411-07:002013-12-08T22:54:50.411-07:00"Boy with a toy gun" is a careful, accur..."Boy with a toy gun" is a careful, accurate description of the individual and what he was carrying.The photograph shows that the resemblance between the toy replica and the genuine article is hardly as striking as the police -- and their apologists -- pretend it to be. <br /><br />You are lying when you depict this incident as one involving a threat to anybody (and when you describe the victim as "armed" in any way, as you did in the previous post). This incident took place in broad daylight; the youngster was headed to a friend's house when he was accosted from behind and then gunned down when he reflexively responded to an unfamiliar voice. <br /><br />The officer who murdered that kid was not threatened by him in any way, so he wasn't acting in self-defense. If we are going to abide the continued presence of government enforcement agents they will have to recognize -- as the officer in the story above clearly did -- that they will assume certain risks in order to protect the rights of innocent people, including young kids carrying toy (yes, toy) guns. <br /><br />Your preferred rhetorical tactic is best described as acting like a tar baby with a fecal center. Are you a subsidized time-waster, or is this merely an obsessive hobby of some kind? William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-2446221613972656112013-12-08T17:58:50.266-07:002013-12-08T17:58:50.266-07:00Once again you like to say "a boy with a toy ...Once again you like to say "a boy with a toy gun". It's the way Trayvon Martin supporters used the outdated image to make him look like a darling, innocent boy as opposed to his young man gangsta persona shortly before his death. The photo accompanying the article quite clearly shows the "toy" closely resembles a real gun. The notion a person has to ascertain whether a gun is fake or not before they can act in self-defence is ludicrous.Gilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-67457131940484331822013-12-08T11:00:40.802-07:002013-12-08T11:00:40.802-07:00there will always be those who defend the indefens...there will always be those who defend the indefensible for whatever reason, or reasons, their convoluted thought processes produce. they should be ignored. so much for 'gil'.<br /><br />with respect to the icelandic police and their response to the shooting death, it is obvious sociopaths and psychopaths are not in the majority of police in that nation. comparing the police actions in iceland with those in America become amerika should go a long way to convince a vast majority of the very dangerous nature of home grown police and attest to the veracity of your numerous writings on the issue of police aggression, brutality and, yes, murder in the first degree.<br /><br />unfortunately, many who worship at the altar of power are willingly blind to the incidents you annotate. regardless of the 'reasons' employed to defend the indefensible, the holders of such positions cannot open their eyes and see the truth of the reality that has developed wherein cops kill with impunity whomever they want, whenever they want. they should be recognized for what they are: supporters of the status quo who need to be told how to live, being incapable of doing so on their own.<br /><br />'gil' and his type will support every vile action by any agency and are the reason for the problem of malevolent, murderous police doing as they do.kirknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1522519791426270432013-12-08T00:55:55.318-07:002013-12-08T00:55:55.318-07:00Someone so fastidious about the use of language by...Someone so fastidious about the use of language by other people should be more careful -- and more honest -- in his own diction. The boy (yes, that is the proper description of a middle school-aged youth) wasn't "armed" with anything, because the object in his hands was a <i>toy.</i><br /><br />That murder is hardly the only instance in which a panicking police officer gunned down a small child carrying (not "armed" with) a toy. Last year I described the killing of a 12-year-old child in West Memphis, Arkansas by an authentic sociopath named Erik Sammis (http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2012/09/sovereign-citizens-and-governments.html). Sammis and his partner were in plainclothes; they never identified themselves as police officers; Sammis shot the child in the back as the victim was complying with an order to get on the ground; the plastic toy was equipped with a conspicuous orange tip. As the victim bled out, he sobbed that he was carrying a toy.<br /><br />Yet despite all of this, Sammis was never prosecuted. He immediately hid behind his "Garrity" privilege and didn't speak with investigators for a month after he murdered the child. <br /><br />We don't need a "police system" in which such murderous impunity is commonplace, and a growing number of Americans have quite sensibly decided that we can no longer countenance this state of affairs. William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-66325951354458594792013-12-07T20:53:16.611-07:002013-12-07T20:53:16.611-07:00Just as EPA is site dedicated to the "why can...Just as EPA is site dedicated to the "why can't we all drive the way we want?" so too is this site "we can't we live without a police system?" Hence stories get reworded to make situation sound gratuitous such the "boy with a toy gun" was in fact a teenager armed with a realistic replica rifle.Gilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-16355405587443408852013-12-07T17:24:20.545-07:002013-12-07T17:24:20.545-07:00You should be able to shoot anyone who breaks into...You should be able to shoot anyone who breaks into your house; fake gun, real gun, or no gun at all. Breaking into one's home is MUCH different than failing to "obey" the orders of some cop.joshrawdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05768172719290909102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-79750496813655582512013-12-07T17:07:28.505-07:002013-12-07T17:07:28.505-07:00FYI:
"Gil" is a well-known authoritari...FYI: <br /><br />"Gil" is a well-known authoritarian troll who frequently posts nonsensical "rebuttals" at the Eric Peters Autos site as well. <br /><br />Not too surprised to see him do the same here. He seeks out libertarian-oriented sites to annoy with his logical non sequiturs. Bevin Chuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03212261042382022326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-56970038732055770402013-12-07T12:57:35.245-07:002013-12-07T12:57:35.245-07:00Will,
I appreciate the time you are taking to refu...Will,<br />I appreciate the time you are taking to refute git.<br /><br />Several years experience of that troll on Austrian economics sites suggests that it will tie itself in knots to twist and misrepresent whatever is written.<br /><br />Staw manning is also one of its prime tools.<br /><br />So far as I can tell, its aim is to waste time and cause low level annoyance.<br /><br />It is impervious to both logical and historical refutation, and it displays no evidence of ever having done any background reading.Luton Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-44728755216444095062013-12-07T08:09:31.422-07:002013-12-07T08:09:31.422-07:00Somehow I doubt a private homeowner would shoot de...<i>Somehow I doubt a private homeowner would shoot dead an innocent person just because. Instead they would feel they had to do what they did because of the circumstances and it will be investigated to see if it was justifiable.</i><br /><br />The recent shooting of Renisha McBride could provide a test of that proposition. <br /><br /><i>Saying you felt police officers got off scot-free is not much different from those who thought Zimmerman got away with murder because of a gutless jury.</i><br /><br />Police officers <i>constantly </i> get away with killings that should be recognized as unambiguous acts of criminal homicide, in large measure because those killings are rarely subjected to criminal prosecution. <br /><br />In Las Vegas, for example, the Use of Force Board that reviews police killings has validated all but two incidents of that kind since 1979. The system is so patently rigged that six members of the board resigned in disgust last summer -- including an assistant sheriff and a retired police officer. <br /><br />The situation is similar in Houston, where a specialized grand jury system has validated all but one police shooting during the past five years - including one in which the victim was a mentally ill double amputee in a wheelchair who was "armed" with a ball-point pen. <br /><br /><i>Also saying Libertarians are `opposed to aggressive violence' is cop out as few people hurt others out of the blue instead both sides felt they had their reasons for what they did.</i><br /><br />Having a "reason" is not sufficient. A criminal engaged in a home invasion robbery has a "reason" to kill a homeowner who is defending his property, but the criminal can't make a valid claim to self-defense. The same is true of any other person who initiates the use of force and then kills the other person when the victim resists. <br /><br />Every day -- most likely dozens or hundreds of times each day -- some people "hurt others out of the blue" with impunity. The assailants are police officers who are employing violence for some reason other than self-defense, or defense of innocent people. In such situations it is the victim, rather than the aggressor, who is usually punished for the supposed crime of resisting aggressive violence. This is a state of affairs no honest or decent human being can countenance.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-21733570776067710372013-12-07T06:24:08.756-07:002013-12-07T06:24:08.756-07:00If they tend to look like that lovely flower enthu...If they tend to look like that lovely flower enthusiast in the top photo, I would say they're also much easier on the eyes than America's legion of doughnut stuffers...non de guerrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04336760586691062775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-61102093942359683182013-12-07T04:52:13.572-07:002013-12-07T04:52:13.572-07:00Somehow I doubt a private homeowner would shoot de...Somehow I doubt a private homeowner would shoot dead an innocent person just because. Instead they would feel they had to do what they did because of the circumstances and it will be investigated to see if it was justifiable. Saying you felt police officers got off scot-free is not much different from those who thought Zimmerman got away with murder because of a gutless jury.<br /><br />Also saying Libertarians are "opposed to aggressive violence" is cop out as few people hurt others out of the blue instead both sides felt they had their reasons for what they did.Gilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-55741001318624703932013-12-07T02:07:57.394-07:002013-12-07T02:07:57.394-07:00Iceland is white, so ofcourse it is low crime. Iceland is white, so ofcourse it is low crime. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-39077065622669843412013-12-06T23:07:27.262-07:002013-12-06T23:07:27.262-07:00A private homeowner who shoots an innocent person ...A private homeowner who shoots an innocent person can't seek refuge in "qualified immunity" and then take 72 hours to devise a story before being interrogated by detectives. That sort of privilege is enjoyed only by costumed tax-feeders. <br /><br />Libertarians and other individualists oppose acts of aggressive violence irrespective of the identity of those who commit them. Since police claim to have a license to commit aggression, they're a uniquely dangerous element of society, and the fact that they're being trained to kill -- rather than to de-escalate confrontations -- should be troubling to all civilized people. William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-11104107908916017912013-12-06T22:51:01.253-07:002013-12-06T22:51:01.253-07:00Actually what's wrong assuming not all crimina...Actually what's wrong assuming not all criminals are angry young men? On the other hand, why should anyone have to make someone one has a real gun and not toy replica?<br /><br />I'm sure if a private homeowner shot dead an intruder who was a either a woman, old man or some smartass teen with a toy replica then Libertarians will quick to defend the homeowner.Gilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-10163544542103920162013-12-06T06:18:57.730-07:002013-12-06T06:18:57.730-07:00Message to cops: if you show the public that your ...Message to cops: if you show the public that your motto is "Shoot first, ask questions later," then don't be surprised if the public takes the lesson to heart. As you sow, so shall you reap.JdLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-90827906061304256512013-12-05T20:15:44.600-07:002013-12-05T20:15:44.600-07:00I am very excited about your upcoming books! Will...I am very excited about your upcoming books! Will you sign them in exchange for buying them through PayPal donations like liberty in the eclipse?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com