tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post5117120458955402533..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Briefly Considered: Coda in Owyhee CountyWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-89649415712672693972008-11-07T20:16:00.000-07:002008-11-07T20:16:00.000-07:00Whether or not Tony Lopez is telling the truth abo...Whether or not Tony Lopez is telling the truth about trying to give the sign back to Crandall matters not on whit to me. The idea that the sign left with Tony remains the property of Crandall and that Tony should know this is patently absurd.<BR/><BR/>I have run for office and it did not enter my head that the people who were gracious enough to take my signs were under any constraints to display or return those signs intact. And--if someone had done to a sign I gave them what Mr. Lopez did would have caused me to find out what caused such animus and to try to repair the relationship--not to have the person arrested.<BR/><BR/>Whether Crandall is correct on the law is irrelevant to me when judging his character. He behaved like a thug instead of a statesman and leader. I pity those under his authority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-83086755358240903782008-11-07T09:32:00.000-07:002008-11-07T09:32:00.000-07:00What wing are all of you? Pry into Tony Lopez' pa...What wing are all of you? Pry into Tony Lopez' past and see what he is capable of. Do it honestly though, instead of inflated through a blog with the owner opinions like this and you might make the real Tony Lopez stand up. <BR/><BR/>Are all of you police-hating, granola-eating, hiking-boot wearing, hippie-lettuce smoking,happy-when-trashing-the-system morons types of people who hide while puffing their chests out and protecting a village idiot like Tony Lopez? It was all a farce and he caught you hook, line and sinker! <BR/><BR/>Good luck with your new friend Tony Lopez everybody. I will be sure to find leaks for his past behaviors for all of you so you can see who you protected.<BR/><BR/>Signed,<BR/>The Tony Lopez Victim SocietyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-86114719249890842822008-11-07T09:30:00.000-07:002008-11-07T09:30:00.000-07:00will said:Are we to conclude that excessive donut ...will said:<BR/><BR/>Are we to conclude that excessive donut consumption results in abnormally thick hair growth on the posterior?<BR/><BR/><BR/>huh, you lost me, do firemen like donuts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-77258286792950440802008-11-07T09:28:00.000-07:002008-11-07T09:28:00.000-07:00big words will hahahaha , I only say in jest. I ...big words will hahahaha , I only say in jest. I have a huge respect for anybody who is willing to put on a uniform and stand between danger and those not prepared to protect themsleves. they all ( cops and firemen ) run to what most people run away from.<BR/><BR/>i have been around numerous police officer and it is funny how most people feel about cops.....they dont want them around unless they need them, but the same people are first in line to help when somehting bad happens to one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-87198954856436917752008-11-07T09:15:00.000-07:002008-11-07T09:15:00.000-07:00Are we to conclude that excessive donut consumptio...Are we to conclude that excessive donut consumption results in abnormally thick hair growth on the posterior?William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-6497737623468872882008-11-07T09:10:00.000-07:002008-11-07T09:10:00.000-07:00I was a firefighter. We got into situations that w...I was a firefighter. We got into situations that would not only pucker your a%* but that would make the cops run and hide like little babies. Don't sit there and tell me if it weren't for cops. Besides us firefighters are so much better looking.<BR/><BR/>if i looked like most firemen, i would shave my butt and learn to walk backwords on my hands, hahahahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-2233970867539808432008-11-07T09:07:00.000-07:002008-11-07T09:07:00.000-07:00Will i understand the fact that you are taking lop...Will i understand the fact that you are taking lopez at face value, but at this point, can you say that lopez is telling you the truth? Is it appropriate to think that crandall is lyin simply beause he would not talk with the press? does is make a whole lot of sense for crandll to allow someone to keep his sign when they dont support him? there are faults to be found all around.... and not all cops are bad or even have a tendency to be that way, just as all journalist are not bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-17219170935587377482008-11-07T08:53:00.000-07:002008-11-07T08:53:00.000-07:00anonymous, first I'd like to apologize for my need...anonymous, first I'd like to apologize for my needlessly dismissive reaction to your last comment. I was under the pressure of two simultaneous deadlines and permitted that fact to poison my mood. Please excuse my behavior.<BR/><BR/>I'm really at a loss to understand how Crandall's rights are implicated in this matter, since he gave the sign in question to Tony Lopez and, per Tony's uncontested account, Crandall declined an offer to take it back. That made the sign Tony's property, not Crandall's. So Crandall's rights weren't violated in any way when Tony decided to modify that sign to express his political views and display it on his own property. <BR/><BR/>That sign was a piece of discarded campaign literature akin to pamphlets or flyers left to litter the streets after a rally. <BR/><BR/>As I pointed out in the post above, I think Chief Eidemiller (about whom I know little beyond his involvement in this matter) acted appropriately in seeking to dismiss this matter without prosecution. <BR/><BR/>As for anybody being "taken for a ride" in this matter, I have to ask: Did Tony Lopez somehow secretly compel Daryl Crandall to make an ass of himself in this affair? Something of that sort must have happened if Mr. Lopez is really the dark, diabolical puppet-master behind these events.<BR/><BR/>I was aware that Lopez is a former police officer, and I'm delighted that he decided to go straight.<BR/><BR/>I'm just kidding! Sort of.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-18834254395016839132008-11-07T08:37:00.000-07:002008-11-07T08:37:00.000-07:00i was not shouting, just did not realize that you ...i was not shouting, just did not realize that you would be offended by capitol letters, i have a real job and not aware of blogging rules, so i asked my 18 yoa daughter and she said your were right, i do notice that you take great pleasure in insulting me, and mistifying us with your big words, but how come you will not answer the questions posed of you about the rights of crandall? I am waiting for a response that is befitting a man of you obvious intelligence and education, and remeber that I have never stated that you were dumb.....I just think that you got taken for a ride by Lopez( a former cop, by the way ). I guess there really doesnt have to be a loser in the war of words, just people who dont agree on a subject. if you have managed to read all the way to the bottom of this post thatn appearently i do have something interesting to say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-14606279195554324392008-11-06T20:43:00.000-07:002008-11-06T20:43:00.000-07:00Dear Mr. Grigg,As a big fan of yours writing from ...Dear Mr. Grigg,<BR/><BR/>As a big fan of yours writing from Michigan, thank you for covering this story. I will have to bookmark it and send it to my Christian Libertarian friends as an example of what the citizens are up against, and how even these "public servants" go on ego trips. Keep up the good work!<BR/><BR/>Mr. Lopez, if you are reading this comment, thank you for standing your ground in the face of tyranny. Your stand on the right to freedom of speech is an inspiration.<BR/><BR/>James NiemelaNiemela's Market Gardenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04738325582655261150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-71957264412750853932008-11-06T20:25:00.000-07:002008-11-06T20:25:00.000-07:00I was a firefighter. We got into situations that w...I was a firefighter. We got into situations that would not only pucker your a%* but that would make the cops run and hide like little babies. Don't sit there and tell me if it weren't for cops. Besides us firefighters are so much better looking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-89002102728052753082008-11-06T20:06:00.000-07:002008-11-06T20:06:00.000-07:00Will said: who bench-presses more than 400 lbs.Wow...Will said: <I>who bench-presses more than 400 lbs.</I><BR/><BR/>Wow!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-45470466332779715692008-11-06T19:45:00.000-07:002008-11-06T19:45:00.000-07:00Crandall was just a bananna without a republic... ...Crandall was just a bananna without a republic... now since being elected he has found his republic. <BR/>Residents of owyehee county enjoy - oh yea! enjoy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-88176165596763301062008-11-06T19:23:00.000-07:002008-11-06T19:23:00.000-07:00Mr Grigg. Thank you for standing your ground. Hard...Mr Grigg. Thank you for standing your ground. Hard to imagine that it gets to them so bad.. Why is it that Tony Lopez gets to them so bad? Is it the fact that he is not afraid? Or is it the fact that he used his name? I am trying to teach my young son to stand up for what is right and just. Mr. Grigg You and Mr. Lopez are a good example. Thank you!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-84461497252356413482008-11-06T18:39:00.000-07:002008-11-06T18:39:00.000-07:00Does anyone in owyhee county have the balls to sta...Does anyone in owyhee county have the balls to stand up and be a man?seems to me Mr.Lopez stood up for what he believes in,he did not trash Mr.Crandall or his family,the Crandall supporters are just upset that Mr.Lopez did not support him and his B.S.nor did he back down.he also did not mind his name being metioned on this website or public,he does not hide behind "anonymous".I hope for all the people in Owyhee county that Mr.Lopez keeps his sign up for the 4 years as he said he would.I cannot believe that a sign could get somebody so riled up.So is it the sign that gets to you boys?or is it the fact that Mr.Lopez stood up for himself and his family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-20679075719451721052008-11-06T18:24:00.000-07:002008-11-06T18:24:00.000-07:00YOU NEEDN'T SHOUT, anonymous, especially in light ...YOU NEEDN'T SHOUT, anonymous, especially in light of the fact that YOU HAVE NOTHING INTERESTING TO SAY!!!!!William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-84932500769752131772008-11-06T18:22:00.000-07:002008-11-06T18:22:00.000-07:00WOW GUNS AND YOU CAN BENCH 400 LBS. I HOPE THAT T...WOW GUNS AND YOU CAN BENCH 400 LBS. I HOPE THAT THE. BOYS AT THE Y ARE PROUD AS FOR THE 14 HOUR RESPONSE,THAT IS APPALLING,IN FACT I HEARD THAT A GUY IN MARSING CALLED UP ABOUT FOLLOW UP ON A BURGLARY AND WAS TOLD THEY WERE BUSY AND IT WOULD TAKE TWO DAYS TO TALK TO A DEPUTYMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-25418740419982783962008-11-06T18:02:00.000-07:002008-11-06T18:02:00.000-07:00"If your family is under attack by a nutjob, are y...<I>"If your family is under attack by a nutjob, are you going to call a freedom of speech buddie to talk the guy out, or are you gonna call 911."</I><BR/><BR/>My house was broken into and vandalized a couple of years ago. I called the police, and they managed to send someone around to check things out 14 hours later.<BR/><BR/>I do understand it's got to be tough to break a cop free from sitting with a radar gun giving out speeding tickets for going 45 in a 30 zone, but still...<BR/><BR/>BTW- this was in Ada county. I have no idea what the response time of the police in Owyhee county is- I suppose it might depend on who's asking for for help?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-10924139789033436512008-11-06T17:47:00.000-07:002008-11-06T17:47:00.000-07:00Anon LEO, Personally, I will never call a police o...Anon LEO, <BR/><BR/>Personally, I will never call a police officer for any reason. I don't need them to protect me or my family. But I am forced to pay for their unneeded services at the point of a gun. Let's make a deal. I give up all claim to being able to call you and you give up all claim to the fruits of my labors. Deal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-5805960964836121632008-11-06T16:54:00.000-07:002008-11-06T16:54:00.000-07:00"i feel all the dumber knowing that i will never g...<I>"i feel all the dumber knowing that i will never get back the ten minutes of my life that it took for me to read your last post Will."</I><BR/><BR/>Couldn't get your lips to move any faster than that, my anonymous friend?<BR/><BR/>Look, if it took you <I>ten minutes</I> to read a few brief paragraphs, your life has been largely wasted already.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-34156261079716355752008-11-06T16:52:00.000-07:002008-11-06T16:52:00.000-07:00i feel all the dumber knowing that i will never ge...i feel all the dumber knowing that i will never get back the ten minutes of my life that it took for me to read your last post Will. You talk about sterotypes, but yet you are quick to use them, if you are a true journalist then act like one, report with accuracy and integrity, your kind of jounalism can be found at any spuermarket check-out stand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-55445818883058165162008-11-06T16:26:00.000-07:002008-11-06T16:26:00.000-07:001) If Daryl Crandall, given his history, is qualif...1) If Daryl Crandall, given his history, is qualified to be an LEO, something useful might come from his election: It will help de-mystify that line of work by disabusing people of the notion that law enforcement officers are competent, ethical, disciplined, and physically superior.<BR/><BR/>2) Police are not required by law to protect any individual citizen, and cannot be held liable in either criminal or civil court for failing to do so. Yes, I have had reason to be grateful for help I've received from police officers in the past, but I've more frequently had cause for gratitude toward those who have aided and protected me as private citizens without the junk jewelry and state-issued costumes.<BR/><BR/>3) Why should a police officer be regarded as such a sanctified personage that merely touching him constitutes assault -- but any abuse of physical force on his part is presumed to be justified?<BR/><BR/><BR/>4) If a non-police "nutjob" stages a criminal attack on my family and I resist by force, he'll run away. If a nutjob in a police uniform does the same thing and I resist, he will call in his comrades, in sufficient numbers and with sufficient force to kill all of us. That's why private sector criminals are less dangerous than abusive cops.<BR/><BR/>5) Yes, I like granola and cherish civil liberties. I'm a frequent critic of police abuses.<BR/><BR/>I've also helped to exonerate several good police officers who were being railroaded into prison on bogus civil liberties charges. <BR/>I'm one of the few journalists who earned a certificate in counter-terrorism studies in a course I took in Chicago alongside law enforcement from around the USA. <BR/><BR/>Likewise, I'm a gun owner who bench-presses more than 400 lbs.<BR/><BR/>That tinkling noise you hear in the background, if you're listening carefully enough, is the sound of shattering stereotypes.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-14930529763261442552008-11-06T16:20:00.000-07:002008-11-06T16:20:00.000-07:00hey will, tony lied and you know it, he roped all...hey will, tony lied and you know it, he roped all of you into feeling sorry for him when it was nothing more that a campaign stunt. rest easy big boy all of us will have our day, where we will stand in judgement for the wrongs we have done to others, and I suspect that Lopez will have some explaining to do. by the way if you look at the vote count in the Homedale Marsing area, the voters did not buy his crap either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-15668889579289290752008-11-06T16:13:00.000-07:002008-11-06T16:13:00.000-07:00jk, should a private person be allowed to spit on ...jk, <BR/><BR/>should a private person be allowed to spit on a cop? should a aids infected bag of crap be allowed to bite police officer. If your family is under attack by a nutjob, are you going to call a freedom of speech buddie to talk the guy out, or are you gonna call 911. if everybody knew what it took to be a cop, then you will realzie that most of you granola eating hippies could not hack the job. How many civl rights attorney have been killed while responding to a argument over who owns the families pet dog, how many of you have been called in the middle of the night to look for a lost child? how many of you have been asked or have stood in harms way to protect soembody that you do not know? i will agree that there are officers out there that should be doing something else , but the police as whole are here to protect you and your family from harm, try to catch a bad guy and yadda yadda yadda. the most important reson for police officers is because if police officers were not here, then firefighter would not have heros.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-62656515451708053052008-11-06T16:06:00.000-07:002008-11-06T16:06:00.000-07:00Mr. Anonymous:This blog isn't governed by the Warr...Mr. Anonymous:<BR/><BR/>This blog isn't governed by the Warren Court rules of evidence or even the accustomed canons of journalism, so it's acceptable, to a point, to use the comment thread to share second-hand hearsay.<BR/><BR/>It is not all right, however, to pollute it with needless adolescent vulgarity, particularly when it is emitted from the keyboard of someone who cowers and simpers in convenient anonymity.<BR/><BR/>If you feel like kissing Daryl Crandall's ring or, more likely, his malodorous anatomy, feel free to do so. If you're compelled to traffic in innuendo and slander against a private citizen for the supposed offense of opposing your pet candidate, open your own blog. <BR/><BR/>If you're typical of the people who propelled Crandall into office, Owyhee County is decidedly in deep, serious trouble.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.com