tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post5097443595785158917..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Have a Nice Apocalypse!William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-16425897025907206272009-10-13T21:56:18.973-06:002009-10-13T21:56:18.973-06:00dixie dog,
"If anarchy, as I gather you mean...dixie dog,<br /><br />"If anarchy, as I gather you mean it here, were even really feasible or possible (i.e. really NO Leviathan, at ALL, existed) it wouldn't then be Leviathan one would have to worry about, but the hordes who have no self-control without that damned Leviathan providing the control."<br /><br />Precisely sir. There are dozens of gangs in my city. Tens of thousands of gang members, armed to the teeth. The majority of people around them will not have guns. What happens if the trucks don't run and there is no food on the shelf? At any given time, there are 10,000 gang members in the military. I'd bet a few thousand gang members who used to be in the military live in my city.<br /><br />"And also presumably be much more concerned with the safety of their own families, at the expense of others. Would you not agree? Well, acting naturally, there's no question they will. Now, think hard on that for a minute, or five, and grok my added emphasis in light of all that's been mentioned above."<br /><br />Yes, yes I agree. They are heavily armed, many are morally degenerate, and there are not nearly as many people in the city who can defend themselves. <br /><br />"I don't want to end up in the pokey!" or "I'd die if my wife/husband found out!" and so on."<br /><br />I try to follow the golden rule. Most people in a time of crisis will completely ignore it however. Certainly a huge consequence of true anarchy. I remember an essay that Mr. Grigg wrote about Somalia, after the fascist beast left, in which Somalia experienced, from what I understand, very close to true anarchy. And people rose up from the rubble of Mogadishu and began to prosper, until the Ethiopians invaded. I guess we'll see what happens. Good luck to you.Josh Parrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412892387498489410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-63523342177235495562009-10-13T20:40:11.614-06:002009-10-13T20:40:11.614-06:00Josh Parris: Also, if we truly turn into an anarch...<b>Josh Parris:</b> <i>Also, if we truly turn into an anarchical society, there will be no Leviathan.</i><br /><br />Yes, yes, that's certainly one definition of "anarchy," but the reality, IMHO, would not be so precise. If anarchy, as I gather you mean it here, were even really feasible or possible (i.e. really NO Leviathan, at ALL, existed) it wouldn't then be Leviathan one would have to worry about, but the hordes who have no self-control <i>without that damned Leviathan providing the control</i>. Remember what true freedom is all about?<br /><br />On a sidenote, folk can claim to be "atheist" (defined as belief in no God or gods), but, in reality, they have a faith in someone or something. They obey and will always <i>generally</i> obey that someone or something. Thus, he (dictator)/she (dictatorette)/it (Leviathan abstractly) acts as, and implicitly represents, their god even though they themselves would think that ludicrous.<br /><br /><b>Josh Parris:</b> <i>I bet a good number will be much more concerned with the safety of their <b>own</b> families.</i><br /><br />And also presumably be much more concerned with the safety of their <i>own</i> families, at the expense of <i>others</i>. Would you not agree? Well, acting <i>naturally</i>, there's no question they will. Now, think hard on that for a minute, or five, and grok my added emphasis in light of all that's been mentioned above.<br /><br />Another sidenote. Have you ever asked a motley assortment of Joe or Jane Does somewhere (at work, in the grocery line, anywhere) this question or one similar, "Hypothetically, who/what is it from your perspective that is most successful in preventing you from turning an evil thought into an attendant action, i.e. carrying out a theft, a murder, a rape, a lie, etc." and catch the responses? I usually (but not always) receive, in essence, a response of this caliber: "I don't want to end up in the pokey!" or "I'd die if my wife/husband found out!" and so on.<br /><br />In other words, that kind of response indicates <i>man</i> or, when extrapolated out, Leviathan, is the arbiter/judge of what absolute "right" and "wrong" are to be. It's quite telling that too many folk never say something simple and terse like, "Because it's wrong, period!"<br /><br />Again, as I said earlier, Leviathan represents their god to whom they will bow and grovel, their roaring denials notwithstanding.dixiedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-34972907243031895112009-10-13T20:19:23.794-06:002009-10-13T20:19:23.794-06:00Josh Parris: I believe that if complete anarchy is...<b>Josh Parris:</b> <i>I believe that if complete anarchy is the result of our currency collapse, that in the short run, tens of millions of people will die of starvation. Perhaps more than that. I hope not. Whether they are morally degenerate or not, I hope not. Many will be children.</i><br /><br />Well, children (dawn of life) and elderly (twilight of life), unfortunately, are indeed too often the most numerous of victims in war, in a famine, in a pandemic, etc. It has been so for time immemorial, and it will continue to be so until the real prince of peace, the Lord Jesus Christ returns to earth. However, in America, it must be noted we've already witnessed the death of ~50 million unborn children since 1973 when none of those aforementioned scenarios were/are a reality in our country.<br /><br /><b>Josh Parris:</b> <i>But I believe that for the survivors of the first few months of anarchy, whether it be 80% of the population or 1%, the world will turn, and freedom, prosperity and peace will hopefully ensue for many, many generations. Perhaps the survivors will learn from the lessons of the past this time. When I said long run, I meant at least a year or two. Maybe it will be more. I hope not. We will see. The first year of it will be absolutely terrible, no doubt.</i><br /><br />I do find your optimism about freedom prevailing or being sustained long-term, never mind germinating, without a sense by the commoner folk at large of what true freedom <i>really means</i>, to be baseless. No, I'm definitely not talking about the brash, emotional, unbridled, meaningless "f-r-e-e-d-o-m!" in the sense of the movie <i>Braveheart</i>. True freedom begins <a href="http://www.iamnext.com/spirituality/freedom.html" rel="nofollow">in the heart</a>, otherwise we merely repeat over time, ad infinitum, the same actions that inevitably bring us down low in the first place. Abstract "f-r-e-e-d-o-m!" is indeed a meaningless concept.<br /><br /><b>Josh Parris:</b> <i>I hope that anarchy will not ensue. If it does, it will get very violent, very fast. I'd much prefer the constitutional republic we started out with.</i><br /><br />But why get very violent, very fast? How will that kind of behavior/action rightfully solve anything? Why can't folk, who presumably are under self-control and know how to self-govern (require no earthly arbiter), simply and quietly disobey immoral and/or unconstitutional "laws"? And let Providence handle the attendant consequences as He sees fit? There's always a lot of TALK from many quarters, but very little or no <i>righteous</i> ACTION to speak of. As you may or may not be a believer, of course, I pointedly aim that particular admonishment to fellow Christians. Instead of being salt and light, too many of us have attempted to be incognito. Why? Because we also want our fat house, fat car, fat food, fat paycheck, etc., ad nauseam, ad infinitum. I used to faithfully, but vainly, attempt to follow the same meaningless, materialistic path, but not anymore.<br /><br />Yes, I also prefer the constitutional republic of yore. But it has been slowly and gradually eroded away under our noses and with our own greedy participation (increasing dependency by choice). What did we expect to happen?<br /><br />I think this country needs to be brought low and humbled, so to speak, and then hopefully some of its people will be shaken from their apathetic, "go along to get along" stupor. My view is that even if the country itself is destined for destruction and/or irrelevance in the grand scheme of things in the near future, as I tend to opine will be the case, we can nevertheless help salvage individual souls and help them find and grow in the knowledge of The Truth. Besides, that's what the hardcore meaning of life here and now is truly all about anyway. "The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever." (Isaiah 40:8, I Peter 1:24-25)<br /><br />(cont'd)dixiedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-42350977124231179082009-10-13T16:56:30.195-06:002009-10-13T16:56:30.195-06:00Now Obama is working on outlawing fishing. They...Now Obama is working on outlawing fishing. They're covering all the basesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-17225973716875853222009-10-13T16:54:27.965-06:002009-10-13T16:54:27.965-06:00Entitlement is part of the affluent culture too. T...Entitlement is part of the affluent culture too. This afternoon my spouse and I decided to ride our bikes five miles to the McD's for supper. As we sat in a booth eating our meager meal ordered from the $1.00 menu an adolescent male left his booth and his buddies, approached us and said to my spouse, "My friend is a little short of money. Could he borrow 30 cents for an ice cream cone?" My husband told him no and he returned to his friends and booth where they sat on, playing on their cell phones and goofing off. This community is extremely affluent. These boys should have been ashamed but they were not. They felt entitled evidently. And why not? Every levy and bond issue is passed by the community. Most of the kids here are spoiled beyond belief. I'm sure they were shocked that we did not hand them money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-83308732244872262122009-10-13T10:00:14.270-06:002009-10-13T10:00:14.270-06:00"That text should be required reading for any..."That text should be required reading for anyone entering political office in the federal government."<br /><br />I think <i>Medusa's Picture Book</i> should be required reading for anyone entering political office in any appendage of the State. <br /><br /> -Sans AuthoritasSans Authoritasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-81737445518703762922009-10-12T22:29:34.470-06:002009-10-12T22:29:34.470-06:00The only hope that we can hold out for is that som...The only hope that we can hold out for is that some good will come of this. Namely, that we will be forced back onto using the gold standard. Sure, it will hurt for a little while, but it is truly the only long term solution for a nation and a world addicted to paper currency.Leo Rizzutihttp://political-fringe.com/leo-rizzuti/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-21909970637719643342009-10-11T23:49:12.166-06:002009-10-11T23:49:12.166-06:00Mr. Grigg I just finished you book "Liberty i...Mr. Grigg I just finished you book "Liberty in Eclipse" and found it absolutely gripping. If you would be so kind as to point me to other resources that you have been blessed by in your studies I would be very appreciative. Right now I am reading Madison's account of the debates during the constitutional convention, as if the intention of the founders was ambiguous in the language of the constitution. That text should be required reading for anyone entering political office in the federal government.<br /><br />Anyway I just wanted to say I loved your book, and I throughly am enriched by your radio show and I pray for you and your family. God bless.R.S. Ladwighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13487404072546513179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-88824216767634922732009-10-11T17:39:52.316-06:002009-10-11T17:39:52.316-06:00dixiedog,
I believe that if complete anarchy is t...dixiedog,<br /><br />I believe that if complete anarchy is the result of our currency collapse, that in the short run, tens of millions of people will die of starvation. Perhaps more than that. I hope not. Whether they are morally degenerate or not, I hope not. Many will be children. <br /><br />But I believe that for the survivors of the first few months of anarchy, whether it be 80% of the population or 1%, the world will turn, and freedom, prosperity and peace will hopefully ensue for many, many generations. Perhaps the survivors will learn from the lessons of the past this time. When I said long run, I meant at least a year or two. Maybe it will be more. I hope not. We will see. The first year of it will be absolutely terrible, no doubt. <br /><br />I hope that anarchy will not ensue. If it does, it will get very violent, very fast. I'd much prefer the constitutional republic we started out with. <br /><br />Also, if we truly turn into an anarchical society, there will be no Leviathan. The checks won't mean sh*t. Perhaps the military/National Guard/police forces will be called out to enforce martial law. It is certainly a viable possibility. But not ALL of those guys are bad. A good percentage of them are statist pigs who will not hesitate to disarm you, haul you off, maybe even shoot you, but not all of them. I bet a good number will be much more concerned with the safety of their own families.Josh Parrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412892387498489410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-47004178451289867112009-10-11T12:43:49.870-06:002009-10-11T12:43:49.870-06:00Its not just the value of our money that is part o...Its not just the value of our money that is part of the plan. Look at how the food system is being attacked by our own government. The three states with the most game have had the gray wolf forced on them and the herds of game have been cut down by more than have. This by itself could be explained away with many viewpoints. However with the water being shut off to farm land in Calif that produces half of all the fruits and veggies grown in this country, the picture becomes more clear. Now the attack is on stockyards that produce beef and dairy products, because animals fart. Now the picture becomes crystal clear. With food being in short supple and hyperinflation many folks are going to starve. Now we get down to the nitty gritty of these international bankers because their MO is to starve people to get the upper hand. These same monsters start wars so they can lend billions to the governments doing the fighting so they can have the populations working/slaving away to pay back the loans with insane amounts of interest. <br />I have no clue where this country is headed but I know for a fact that times are going to get very dangerous and scary. These are some of the last days this country has at peace and plenty. Enjoy every second of it because you will more than likely never see such times like these again in your lifetime.AvgJoenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-63569678250288849352009-10-11T04:03:04.185-06:002009-10-11T04:03:04.185-06:00Tricky Dick Nixon had his revenge taking USA off t...Tricky Dick Nixon had his revenge taking USA off the gold standard. Didn't he do it because the French asked for some gold or something I was an embryo when all this was happening. This could be a great sticker or t-shirt, have a nice apocalypse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7427677846351666332009-10-10T16:37:42.618-06:002009-10-10T16:37:42.618-06:00ok,I dont even know where to begin but I think we ...ok,I dont even know where to begin but I think we have to get back to basics and..well take back what is ours out of the hands of those in high places.<br /><br />http://thedeclarationoftheunitedstatesofamer.blogspot.com/2009/10/lest-we-forget-what-our-duties-are-as.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-38513204203008645172009-10-10T11:56:40.501-06:002009-10-10T11:56:40.501-06:00I'm not sure that I am ready to so easily conf...I'm not sure that I am ready to so easily confuse dependence and desperation, though I note that it is in the interest some to conjure the former from the latter. I sincerely hope they fail, because it would be a shame if these Several States were without at least one culture in which a spirit of resistance is preserved.TJPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-66466959848370004832009-10-10T11:20:15.114-06:002009-10-10T11:20:15.114-06:00I believe the intention of the fed gov through the...I believe the intention of the fed gov through the -zero dollar is to, in dixiedog's words ".. inevitably clamp down on all remaining liberty and smack down, not just the roused rabble kindling the chaos, but everyone."<br />It does not take a Yale education to see the end result of what the Federal Reserve has been doing will be. Couple that with nanny-state policies and the apocalyptic endgame is a given. It's just a matter of when.Livefreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15470617146678966910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-26136861563087030842009-10-10T10:23:10.529-06:002009-10-10T10:23:10.529-06:00We have what we have for tolerating that which we ...We have what we have for tolerating that which we have tolerated, the "we" referring to the vast collective among us that has assumed an entitlement mentality at the behest of their lords and masters. The exchanging of souls for fiat has run its course and the damage is all around for anyone not willingly blind to see. That there are more calls for more of the same from the bought-and-paid-for reveals the depth of the educational, financial and moral abyss this nation has entered. This abyss will not easily be escaped from, as well, all the powers that be from the corrupt District of Criminals to the corrupt sitting on their porches expecting their piece of the largesse doing all in their power to maintain the status quo, even if the status quo is revoltingly disgusting beyond description. <br /><br />Fiat money systems have allowed growth of govt, growth of "security" apparatchiks that resemble storm troopers, financed wars without raising taxes (inflation doing the heavy lifting behind the backs of the economically challenged that suffer the ravages of inflation) and, finally and most egregious, the PURCHASE OF VOTES FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF MAINTAINING POWER OVER US ALL. That congress abdicated its responsibility to a private enterprise - the Fed - is no surprise to anyone who bothers to inform themselves. After all, the real purpose of congress is self first, party second. There is no real "third" to these untermenschen who are merely con men in expensive garb. The Fed was drawn up by banksters then, continued with banksters at the helm and remains, even now, made up of banksters in charge of our money supply even though it has totally destroyed the value of money. That congress accepts this reveals what "representation" means today.<br /><br />In the end, so much power has been accrued that this monster goes on its merry way no longer even bothering to conceal its growing acquisition of power on the back of all, cheered on by those who receive the largesse at the expense of those who pay it. So be it. Cracks are appearing and enlarging. The beginning of the end is showing itself for all to see. The real question: what will be the appearance of the Phoenix that arises?kirknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-50855642362898249612009-10-10T04:27:39.299-06:002009-10-10T04:27:39.299-06:00A city with such an incredible unemployment rate a...A city with such an incredible unemployment rate and at the same time a complete meltdown in its real estate market. Is it any surprise, with such intellectual and moral titans, as anonymous earlier posted, saying it's "obama money".... You could say idiocy, and Hell itself, just had a new ring built, and called it Detroit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-77135924478235795172009-10-10T00:44:50.065-06:002009-10-10T00:44:50.065-06:00Another great essay, Will. Scary times straight a...Another great essay, Will. Scary times straight ahead.<br />I have been downloading your radio shows for my drive time listening pleasure. I urge others to do the same. Great stuff, and a welcome departure in style from Alex Jones and Alan Watt, although I love them too.<br />Hey, which sycophantic, unctuous creep do you like better, Thomas P.M. Barnett or Tom Friedman? Tough choice, huh?<br /><br />R CozineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-82175134011500282212009-10-09T23:43:17.120-06:002009-10-09T23:43:17.120-06:00There will be cries from freedom lovers for secess...There will be cries from freedom lovers for secession from a country that is rotting from within.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16565620274260288512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-77786016296817361292009-10-09T19:45:37.220-06:002009-10-09T19:45:37.220-06:00Odoacer -- You correctly describe some of the raci...Odoacer -- You correctly describe some of the racial undercurrents running beneath this story. Detroit has become a museum-quality exhibit of the politics of race-obsessed misrule during the past several decades. <br /><br />I'm not convinced that race is <i>the</i> critical variable here, however. Detroit is full of people convinced that they are entitled to live at the expense of others. That's a collectivist heresy that transcends racial and ethnic boundaries, and has certainly destroyed more than a few European countries and cultures.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-79636794164194612162009-10-09T19:16:45.523-06:002009-10-09T19:16:45.523-06:00So this is the post racial paradise Obamber promis...So this is the post racial paradise Obamber promised. I feel the love when I hear what the fuck you lookin' at redneck. Not to worry though Civil War Version 2.0 is going to be a real motherfucker. P.S. The government confiscated gold before and they will again. How will you barter with the gold when the gov. makes it illegal to own?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-24744633968707233842009-10-09T19:04:25.249-06:002009-10-09T19:04:25.249-06:00Man, you guys are depressing!Man, you guys are depressing!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75595450502390712222009-10-09T18:14:51.586-06:002009-10-09T18:14:51.586-06:00While I agree with most of your article (indeed, m...While I agree with most of your article (indeed, most of your articles), I think that you are ignoring the elephant in the room with regards to Detroit: race. The fact is, those scenes are taking place in Detroit because the city has shifted from a majority white city in the 1950s to a presently 80% black population.Odoacernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-56117217914056298402009-10-09T17:15:54.899-06:002009-10-09T17:15:54.899-06:00if i were that poor, i may very well spend $20 in ...if i were that poor, i may very well spend $20 in the hope that my photocopied application might somehow slip through the cracks and get accepted. it's that kind of thinking that probably got me poor, or kept me poor, in the first place, no? so these may be scam artists, but the desperation painted into this scenario leaves the purchaser no less at fault for being scammed willingly. i wouldn't call them "voucher derivatives," i'd call them "bailout options."<br /><br />now if you told me these scammers posed as authorities, that might be different.jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02615104086703717817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-74217131379147572762009-10-09T16:39:44.439-06:002009-10-09T16:39:44.439-06:00+1 kudos to Will for using the "turtles all t...+1 kudos to Will for using the "turtles all the way down" story. It was a favorite of my old philosophy professor back in the '80s. <br /><br />Ironically, December 2012 is as likely a time for the economic armageddon as any. The ancient Mayans referred to this as the "Coming of the Greenspan" and the "Alignment of the Worthless Currencies".The Omega Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11201074345278724346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-8553191001376001662009-10-09T16:33:40.002-06:002009-10-09T16:33:40.002-06:00They are "desperate". Fiat money destroy...They are "desperate". Fiat money destroys the morality of the people. The people most needing morality are those without the resources to be able to weather the results of immorality.<br /><br />Minimum wage laws, mandatory benefit laws, the war on poverty and the drug war have ruined entire generations of people, all to create political power for some who can then lead these sad people to steal from another group after killing their first "benefactor".Jim O'Connornoreply@blogger.com