tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post4745220529598337025..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Open Range, Open Season: The Killing of Jack Yantis (UPDATE, November 8)William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75328635240099407202016-02-01T15:29:10.385-07:002016-02-01T15:29:10.385-07:00Today is Monday February 1st 2016. It has now been...Today is Monday February 1st 2016. It has now been 3 months since the pigs murdered Jack Yantis and we still have NO answers. Why is the sheriff not reporting the "results" of his"investigation"? Why isn't the ISP reporting the results of their "investigation"? This is not a complicated scenario, we should have had answers before Christmas. The longer this takes, the more I am disinclined to believe anything the "authorities" attempt to sell us.Bill in ILnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23079294128680042682016-01-15T12:45:14.953-07:002016-01-15T12:45:14.953-07:00Today is the 15th of January - roughly two and a h...Today is the 15th of January - roughly two and a half months after the shooting of Jack Yantis/<br /><br />My question is where are the reports on the ISP and the FBI's investigations and when will that become public?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-73706222969569177032015-12-02T00:03:22.167-07:002015-12-02T00:03:22.167-07:00@ iakobos what we must do is dismiss every cop in ...@ iakobos what we must do is dismiss every cop in the country who isn't aware or doesn't agree that a citizen's right to have/grasp/use a firearm at any moment is superior to his or hers. I don't disagree that it may be a good idea to make sure you're not surprising or alarming the cop by doing so unexpectedly, but if Yantis's rifle was pointed at the bull, the deputies had no right to object to Yantis putting it down. He certainly didn't need their permission. But they were offended, and apparently/allegedly murdered a man over their arrogance.<br /><br />There are way too many cops in this country unsuited to the job, either because of cowardice that causes them to resort to force before it's legally AND morally AND ethically acceptable; or because they no longer consider themselves our servants but our superiors. Ever hear a cop say something about giving an order? We've forgotten that cops ability to give an order is limited to very specific circumstances.Lloyd Bonifidenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-60726150436731869592015-12-01T14:58:07.547-07:002015-12-01T14:58:07.547-07:00"the 2 deputies had already put the animal do..."the 2 deputies had already put the animal down." Just because they shot the bull doesn't mean it was dead. I grew up on a cattle ranch and bulls are extremely tough to kill especially if you're only shooting it with handguns. A rifle shot to the head or a handgun shot through the eye (handgun shots can bounce off a bulls skull) are the only quick, sure ways to put down a bull. Shooting them anywhere else will likely only prolong the death of the animal. It's feasible to me that the rancher saw the bull was alive and suffering from multiple wounds and reacted quickly to put it down.<br /><br />I believe his death should be investigated as either negligent homicide or manslaughter. The object lesson for us mundanes is never pull out a firearm around law enforcement without first obtaining everyone's notice and permission. iakoboshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18154484739450723530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-19725908232865058582015-11-20T14:28:05.393-07:002015-11-20T14:28:05.393-07:00Should be a regulation that if an officer neglects...Should be a regulation that if an officer neglects to have cams active, instant termination. If cams are deactivated during an event culminating in civil action, the LEO that fails to produce video will be held automatically liable. Like an uninsured motorist is automatically held at fault in an accident.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-91717192055480343452015-11-15T00:53:55.818-07:002015-11-15T00:53:55.818-07:00Ya, right. Yantis had his nephew.bring the front l...Ya, right. Yantis had his nephew.bring the front loader down because he knew he was going to have to dispatch his bull. If he was agitated, it was because the officers were target practicing already with a pistol on Jack's bull. If Jack did tell the officers to back off, are you so stupid that you think k that is justification to open fire and blow a decent, honest working family man away?<br /><br />If you are in law enforcement, get out now as you are unqualified.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-14058798450069846622015-11-13T08:45:31.653-07:002015-11-13T08:45:31.653-07:00All comrades must retreat to the safespace and clu...All comrades must retreat to the safespace and clutch their participation trophies while sipping juice boxes so these events never happen.<br />Mundane kulak taxable units on the glorious neo-feudal serf plantation utopia shouldn't have firearms, only police should have firearms so they can protect my safespace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-47632983206830145852015-11-12T18:32:11.493-07:002015-11-12T18:32:11.493-07:00This looks very consistent with what i have read. ...This looks very consistent with what i have read. If the Deputies are not Guilty, they need to come out publicly and say why they believe they had to both shoot the Rancher. Montana Rancher Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02768638955113391473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-72365249560877947662015-11-12T05:28:59.741-07:002015-11-12T05:28:59.741-07:00An investigation includes facts from both the depu...An investigation includes facts from both the deputies involved and all witnesses present not just the family's account and the media's spin on it.<br /><br />November 11, 2015 at 12:08 PM<br /><br />Let's start with the body cams. Oh that's right they were not turned on as they should have been. Why were the cameras not turned on? To answer that question with what cops tell citizens all the time, "why not, what have you got to hide". That under SCOTUS ruling is probable cause to assume guilt which legalizes intervention. What the deputies have to say at this point can be totally disregard because they had their chance to make a statement but made a choice not to do so by turning their cameras off. At this point they can swear on a stack of Bibles and no logical person will or can believe them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-21207065314006196112015-11-12T05:14:56.199-07:002015-11-12T05:14:56.199-07:00Correction to you chris b. "The two deputies ...Correction to you chris b. "The two deputies had already put the animal down". I never saw that, the bull was still very much alive after the cops shot it up. Jack Yantis was going to stop the bull's suffering. The reports make it clear, the bull was allowed to suffer for 2 hours until it at last died on its own, after Jack Yantis was murdered. <br />The clear facts in this matter show that cops don't have the simplest common sense to stop acting like goons and get a grip on the situation. No where in this situation was deadly force required. My Intel tells me that after the cops shot up the bull, Jack Yantis told the cops what idiots he thought they were. They resented that and from that point forward they seemingly were looking for a way to take the matter at hand to a new level. Seemingly they did just that and Jack Yantis is dead. Hundreds of cases are out there where cops egos having been insulted have resulted in deadly force being used. Did that happen in Jack Yantis's death? The facts point in that direction more all the time with what looks like all the cops cameras being turned off, time will tell.<br />Just wondering, who were the people in the car that hit the bull and where was their car. How much damage did that car receive, pictures? Way too much information is being tightly held to control and control what, truth?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75339025125033520112015-11-12T02:25:15.843-07:002015-11-12T02:25:15.843-07:00So the answer to being "provoked" is to ...So the answer to being "provoked" is to shoot first and cover up later? Cops are notorious throughout this twisted country for running amok and killing people. Somehow that bought and paid for costume they wear removes any sense of decency or restraint. It does however project some.sort of hypnotic effect over common dolts who bow down to authority structues as if on cue. Does Pavlov ring a bell?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-24590978351411567832015-11-11T16:23:19.792-07:002015-11-11T16:23:19.792-07:00I am sorry for your loss, Yantis family. Thank you... I am sorry for your loss, Yantis family. Thank you for the write up, Mr.Grigg. May Jack Yantis rest in peace.<br /><br />Please excuse me for sticking my nose into this situation. I am just an impartial observer that read this story. I would be willing to bet that this rancher was a good ol' boy that didn't want to see any animal suffer.I say that because I just don't believe any man would bring both his wife,and his rifle along for the ride if he was going to pick a fight w/ the local authorities. But,if that 2nd to last comment was accurate, the 2 deputies had already put the animal down. I have to say that pulling out any weapons from that point on would be unnecessary, and ill advised for any civilians to do. That does not mean that anyone who does should be gunned down. Especially without verbal warning, while hes w/in arms reach of another deputy. The fact that the Cops partner was that close when the first shot was fired makes the shooter seem like he just did not belong in that situation. A hunting rifle in a gun fight should have afforded the man at least 1 verbal warning from an officer that has already drawn down on his target. I have yet to watch a police shooting video that didn't have a policeman shouting," Drop your weapon." befroe firing his. It might happen. Im just saying that I havent seen it happen yet, nor am I about to see it since out of 3 cameras at the scene, only 1 was turned on, and the footage from that one camera is now nowhere to be found. Did someone feel guilty about something they did. The dead man had nothing to hide. The "visibly shaken, Sheriff Zollen" picture doesnt look like a man that reached the fight, or flight adrenaline release point, then saved both he, and his partner from dying on in the line of duty. I understand that killing a man under any circumstances would be hard to deal with for most, but that is not whats on that guy is struggling w/in that picture. Its just a tough situation because it's all or nothing when there's an officer involved. Accidental, and negligible arent options once a paid professional draws his weapon. It would be nice to see justice prevail for Mrs. Yantis. She knows better than anyone what happened. After all she was just 10 ft away from the man that never would have put her in that kind of harm. <br />Thanks again for sharing your story.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15541124828989510315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-64756615722552395552015-11-11T13:51:02.901-07:002015-11-11T13:51:02.901-07:00These developments from the Townhall meeting a dis...These developments from the Townhall meeting a disturbing but not surprising. Dash/body cams will NEVER be reliable when those they can incriminate control the content or lack of on those cameras.<br /><br />"law" enFORCEment nationwide has become as untrustworthy as the governments they enFORCE for. <br /><br />Lawlessness covers the USSA. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-24114943847815782522015-11-11T12:45:24.085-07:002015-11-11T12:45:24.085-07:00Anonymous @ 12:8 said:
An investigation inclu...Anonymous @ 12:8 said:<br /><br /> <i>An investigation includes facts from both the deputies involved and all witnesses present not just the family's account and the media's spin on it.</i><br /><br />The media's "spin" on this incident has been typically sympathetic to law enforcement -- including the use of such tendentious expressions as "shootout" to describe an encounter that, from the available evidence, doesn't appear to be anything of the sort. <br /><br />There is no reason to assume that the account offered by the killers in this incident would be more factual or reliable than the testimony offered by witnesses who didn't pull triggers. During last night's town hall meeting, Sheriff Zollman said that although the deputies had body cameras, and are required to turn them on, the devices weren't activated at the time of the shooting. The sheriff also claimed that he doesn't know -- more than a week after the fatal incident -- what has become of the footage collected by the single daschcam that was operating on the scene. <br /><br />Given the ISP's demonstrated unreliability in carrying out investigations of officer-involved fatalities, there is abundant cause for reasonable people to believe that the official investigation of this matter will focus on exoneration, rather than full disclosure and accountability. <br />William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75741573684923443272015-11-11T12:08:11.752-07:002015-11-11T12:08:11.752-07:00An investigation includes facts from both the depu...An investigation includes facts from both the deputies involved and all witnesses present not just the family's account and the media's spin on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-49529376690973354652015-11-11T11:22:07.000-07:002015-11-11T11:22:07.000-07:00Lets take the facts as we know them:
The dispatche...Lets take the facts as we know them:<br />The dispatcher is contacted by the police on Hwy. 95, with the bull to contact Mr. Yantis .<br />The dispatcher call Mr. Yantis about his bull.<br />Mr. Yantis has his nephew get the skip loader and a chain to meet him at the highway.<br />Mr. Yantis has his wife/sister get his rifle to take to him. <br />Mr. Yantis drives his 4 wheeler with the headlights on to the road. Just as he gets there the police are opening up on the bull.<br />Mr. Yantis stays back and waits until they are done. He has his nephew get the skip loader's lights on the bull. <br />Mr. Yantis, gets his rifle from his sister and or wife. <br />Mr. Yantis, walks up to the bull as the 2 policemen are talking to each other on the highway a matter of feet away from him. <br />Mr. Yantis, gets in behind the bull's head and lower his rifle within 2 feet of the bull's head to put it down.<br />A policeman comes up and grabs Mr. Yantis's arm at the shoulder and spins him around to face the other policeman who has his own rifle aimed and ready to shoot. That policeman shoots at once, once the other policeman spins Mr. Yantis around giving the shooter his profile.<br />Mr. Yantis, is first shot in the hand holding his rifle.<br />The other policeman, the one that jerked Mr. Yantis around giving the first shooter his profile, moves back away from Mr. Yantis and is pulling out his sidearm and both policemen open up on Mr. Yantis.<br />That is the way the witnesses saw this killing happen and the way the newspapers reported it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-29355356016890268612015-11-10T19:47:15.340-07:002015-11-10T19:47:15.340-07:00These comments are disturbing and uneducated. Comm...These comments are disturbing and uneducated. Comment when you have the facts from the investigation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-80599755052353065092015-11-10T13:39:02.479-07:002015-11-10T13:39:02.479-07:00Our whole law enforcement culture is perverted. A...Our whole law enforcement culture is perverted. An elected sheriff should investigate all crimes in his county, even if it involves his deputies.<br /><br />If the ISP gets it wrong, will Zollman and his county attorney have the ISP and these deputies charged with crimes, or on the other hand, will the Yantis family be charged with lying and other crimes.<br /><br />If elected officials continue to avoid their constitutional responsibilities by allowing un-elected so-called expert cops to make the final decision in cases like this- then we will never will recover our lost freedoms.<br /><br />Zollman should have his investigation first and other agencies, if he chooses, should be under his strong direction including the ISP, Attorney General, FBI, etc.<br /><br />I do not believe that Sheriff Huff has announced a decision in the Johnson accident. There is enough controversy on the Johnson death for Huff to investigate the ISP.<br /><br />Are there any people who reject peer pressure? A sheriff should.Pro-Lifenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-36364522281878500412015-11-10T13:23:10.212-07:002015-11-10T13:23:10.212-07:00Ok as this was a tradic thing lets look at what is...Ok as this was a tradic thing lets look at what is best for the Community. ! the Community needs to trust their sheriff and his deputies to understand that they are hired to be part of Law enforcement. I as a presiding member of the Constitutional Club and CSPOA would suggest that the county look at a grand jury formed not by law enforcement but by the people of that county.<br />The misnomer is that a judge leads the people in investigations through the Counties attorney when in fact the people have the power to arraign a jury of peers to ascertain the validity of the claims of both sides. More information? quisno son of the Republichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10168392656481369905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-88773728912327313042015-11-10T09:24:05.971-07:002015-11-10T09:24:05.971-07:00Yeah, and OUT the murderers!Yeah, and OUT the murderers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-58062022344700836902015-11-10T09:23:20.099-07:002015-11-10T09:23:20.099-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-78596054935885505592015-11-10T09:21:58.026-07:002015-11-10T09:21:58.026-07:00The outcome will likely be the actual investigatio...The outcome will likely be the actual investigation of the entire ISP for corruption.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-41966445004252288882015-11-10T09:18:15.320-07:002015-11-10T09:18:15.320-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-27552489673113156242015-11-10T09:16:30.127-07:002015-11-10T09:16:30.127-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-12599409571598710422015-11-09T14:02:13.243-07:002015-11-09T14:02:13.243-07:00Forgive me - I really should define "Mundane&...Forgive me - I really should define "Mundane" and terms of art of that kind.<br /><br />A "Mundane" is a common member of the productive class who doesn't enjoy the exalted status of our armed, costumed overseers, aka "The Only Ones" (as they are styled at The Truth About Guns) or "Exalted Ones," as they perceive themselves. William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.com