tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post1599253497733865777..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: From "Civil Rights" to Cultural Totalitarianism William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-886716662980001232015-04-09T07:12:24.506-06:002015-04-09T07:12:24.506-06:00"That right inheres in individuals, including..."That right inheres in individuals, including those who form corporations. The point isn't that corporations have a right to free speech, but rather that government has no legitimate authority to regulate "corporate" speech."<br /><br />While I agree wholeheartedly with the spirit of your essay, there is a legal problem here. Corporations are legal fictions-- they cannot exist outside the law. As creatures of law, they cannot have rights-- they can only have legally-defined privileges. They can also be subject to restrictions. That is the leverage the State has over the corporation.<br /><br />The solution here is to abjure the corporate legal form when starting a business. Open it as a sole proprietorship, or as a partnership. You lose the privilege of limited liability, but you get back your rights as a sovereign individual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-82803022028505009572015-04-07T14:30:33.362-06:002015-04-07T14:30:33.362-06:00Will, you rock.
Your writing and podcasts have an...Will, you rock.<br /><br />Your writing and podcasts have an almost prophetic effect on me -- I'm filled with dread and hope.<br /><br />Best to you, Brother.<br /><br />JimVirtualAlaskanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15669445908177529235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-68561768797994541852015-04-07T11:56:17.419-06:002015-04-07T11:56:17.419-06:00More recently, Mr. Takei has become one of the mos...<i> More recently, Mr. Takei has become one of the most prominent supporters of the ongoing effort to compel acceptance of gay marriage through both social pressure and government coercion. Last January 30, Mr. Takei delivered the keynote address during the 5th Annual Fred T. Korematsu Day observance, most likely ignorant of the fact that he’s promoting the same evil doctrine that led to his childhood dispossession. <br /></i><br /><br />It is sadly typical of both the hard left and the hard right to see "rights" in isolation, as well as to be blind to cause and effect. If one were to bring the above quoted observation to Mr. Takei's attention, the response would no doubt be brainstemmed denial, followed by misplaced outrage and ad hominem assault. Ideology truly does blind people to the reality of their own existence.liberranterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-45402773033354229692015-04-07T11:49:26.380-06:002015-04-07T11:49:26.380-06:00The El-Bigots don't want to be "left alon...The El-Bigots don't want to be "left alone" or "accepted" as normal or mainstream. <br /><br />No. Only enthusiastic celebration/subsidy/superiority will be enough (for now). The current activist push is for the mainstreaming of "recruiting" new individuals from the "breeder" classes of society. As with Islam, Sodomites can't get your children young enough. <br /><br />Aggressive discrimination and use of traditional moral values (shunning) is among the few responses that do work against evil. <br /><br />pdxr13Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-4498603229077748002015-04-07T08:42:18.643-06:002015-04-07T08:42:18.643-06:00Let's be honest: This whole gay wedding cake b...Let's be honest: This whole gay wedding cake business is NOT about discrimination....it's about the LGBT community trying to force the rest of society to view their lifestyle as "normal" and "mainstream". They want,.......no....many seem to have some sort of deep-seeded psychological need....to be accepted. Instead of just manning up and saying (as many claim to have done when they came out of the closet), "This is who I am and everyone else can **** off if they don't like it!".....they desperately seek societal acceptance....which is rather ironic when you really stop and think about it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-76344322566266611632015-04-07T07:51:36.648-06:002015-04-07T07:51:36.648-06:00to Cedric Ward:
"Tell that to the original n...to Cedric Ward:<br /><br />"Tell that to the original native inhabitants..." to which i might add the blacks, irish, italians, poles, other europeans, asians, latinos, etc., for all have been treated badly at some point after their arrival. <br /><br />the point of my note is that only when private property rights are respected by the rule of law can a nation experience progress. <br /><br />denial of private property rights to some does NOT negate the fact that only when private property rights are respected and protected by the rule of law can progress take place. <br /><br /> <br /> <br />kirknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-18990609498188241802015-04-07T00:57:31.766-06:002015-04-07T00:57:31.766-06:00Outstanding article. The gay rights movmement sur...Outstanding article. The gay rights movmement sure has come a long way since a decade or two ago when they claimed they only wanted to be left alone, haven't they?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-26279126866301101482015-04-06T19:44:21.157-06:002015-04-06T19:44:21.157-06:00kirk...
"we have come so far from our roots a...kirk...<br />"we have come so far from our roots as a nation of free men that most no longer even recognize that which made this nation the greatest country on earth: property rights guarded by the rule of law."<br /><br />Tell that to the original native inhabitants of these lands and listen to what they have to say about 'property rights being guarded'!<br /><br />By whose law?<br /><br />http://goldtradercommentsaugust2010.blogspot.com/Cedric Wardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-46056127991559810092015-04-06T16:56:55.401-06:002015-04-06T16:56:55.401-06:00I find it amazing that people take it for granted ...I find it amazing that people take it for granted those in government care about discrimination. This is like saying that government cares about education. Yes, yes, the propaganda tells us both of these things are true, but all one has to do is examine the actions. Government, far from caring about discrimination, does not give a rat's ass about it - or worse, enhances it by picking winners and losers, in order to "divide and conquer". Likewise, education was the last thing in mind when the government schools were set up.<br /><br />No doubt this will seem nonsensical to some, but after a lifetime of observation, there can be no other conclusions about it. Government is not there for us, folks. Never was, never will be. Government is for two things: plunder, and the exercise of power. Get out of your mind that it might have any other purpose.Paul Bonneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15279129269584372919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-3007175729880624362015-04-06T08:19:38.767-06:002015-04-06T08:19:38.767-06:00it is the right of a business owner to serve, or n...it is the right of a business owner to serve, or not serve, whomever they please. it is THEIR business.<br /><br />on the one hand, it is foolish for a business owner to deny service to entire segments of the population, even though it is his right to do so, because to do so is to limit one's business growth and, in the end, limit one's income.<br /><br />on the other hand, a business owner OWNS the business and can operate that business in any way desired, via property rights, with no involvement of any agency of any govt. this includes the right to refuse to serve anyone the business owner wants to include in the list of those who are to be denied.<br /><br />all the imbroglios involving 'discrimination' have as their primary goal the destruction of property rights. that was clearly indicated by the current fascist in charge when he uttered the anti property rights slogan '...you didn't build that'. <br /><br />we have come so far from our roots as a nation of free men that most no longer even recognize that which made this nation the greatest country on earth: property rights guarded by the rule of law. the former is under attack daily and the latter no longer exists.<br /><br />as more of our rights are replaced by privileges, true freedom disappears and soft slavery ensues. the real questions are why do we tolerate 'soft slavery' and how long will the slavery remain 'soft'?kirknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-58543490314172965352015-04-05T23:25:13.881-06:002015-04-05T23:25:13.881-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-49611489640816797782015-04-05T23:25:13.412-06:002015-04-05T23:25:13.412-06:00Do you also hold that corporations, which also hav...<i>Do you also hold that corporations, which also have neither body, parts nor passions, can have no interest in whether or not their employees use birth control under a health plan provided by said entity?</i><br /><br />A corporation can choose to provide that benefit, or an employee can find another employer who provides it. What is morally impermissible is for the fictive entity called the government to <i>compel</i> employers to provide it -- unless we subscribe to Mussolini's model, in which property is privately held but subject to intimate regulation by the government.<br /><br />In the interests of clarity: Yes, this means that Ginsburg's position in the Hobby Lobby case was, in a specific and undeniable sense, fascist. <br /><br /><i>Do you also contend that a corporation has no right of free speech in the context of the holding that money is free speech instead of money is property?</i><br /><br />That right inheres in individuals, including those who form corporations. The point isn't that corporations have a right to free speech, but rather that government has no legitimate authority to regulate "corporate" speech. <br /><br />Once again you're examining the wrong end of the proposition. We should limit what government does, rather than what citizens do to influence government policy. Rather than limiting "corporate money" in electoral politics, we should immediately discontinue all corporate welfare, in the form of subsidies. <br /><br /><i>Can a corporation have an interest in anything except making money?</i><br /><br />All businessmen and property owners have a legitimate interest in protecting what they have acquired through inheritance or honest commerce from those who would take it through government-facilitated plunder. <br /><br />Government, on the other hand, is interested only in the exercise of power at the expense of property rights.<br /><br />Making money through honest commerce is an altogether commendable undertaking. Stealing it through taxation and regulation is an entirely contemptible enterprise. <br /><br />Unless wedded to government (something Adam Smith, inter alia, warned about centuries ago), corporations have no ability to compel me to do anything, or take anything from me. <br /><br />William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-50970242415689173222015-04-05T22:47:41.964-06:002015-04-05T22:47:41.964-06:00Do you also hold that corporations, which also hav...Do you also hold that corporations, which also have neither body, parts nor passions, can have no interest in whether or not their employees use birth control under a health plan provided by said entity? Do you also contend that a corporation has no right of free speech in the context of the holding that money is free speech instead of money is property? Can a corporation have an interest in anything except making money?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com