tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post1182752374994611156..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Predators with Impunity (Update, December 4)William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-12294688480533766852013-03-13T10:10:32.088-06:002013-03-13T10:10:32.088-06:00What gets me is that Ruben didn't have to regi...What gets me is that Ruben didn't have to register as a sex offender. Wtf? He was drugging and raping a minor, there can be no consensual sex in this! Fucking dirt bag piece of shit should be rotting in a jail cell for the rest of time. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-40418752544492077842012-12-04T15:03:15.306-07:002012-12-04T15:03:15.306-07:00Between reading the original post and your fourth ...Between reading the original post and your fourth of December update, I watched some of the film "girl with the dragon tattoo"<br /><br />I can't help but be reminded of Rooney Mara's (well written and well played) character trussing up the creep who had raped her, and tattooing <br /><br /><i>"I am a rapist pig"</i> <br /><br />in big letters on his torso, then later threatening to do the same on his forehead.<br /><br />Fictional escapism, I know...<br />Luton Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-72778327998361264972012-12-04T05:51:02.305-07:002012-12-04T05:51:02.305-07:00So police are brutalizing citizens on the outside ...So police are brutalizing citizens on the outside and the, once in custody, they get this?<br /><br />http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2012/12/03/inmates-allege-they-were-abused-with-hot-sauce/<br /><br />Frightening world we live in...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-12777459326792015102012-12-02T15:10:04.698-07:002012-12-02T15:10:04.698-07:00The declaration of independence sums this matter f...The declaration of independence sums this matter for me nicely. Sometimes enough is enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-91433228759087697112012-12-02T04:54:45.848-07:002012-12-02T04:54:45.848-07:00@ CR106,
you have a valid point, but there comes ...@ CR106,<br /><br />you have a valid point, but there comes a certain point where you have to fight back. it'll be either to protect property, or life.<br /><br />it's not always clear.<br /><br />but i think what the hangup here is what is vengeance, and what is justice?<br /><br />the two are not the same.<br /><br />lastly, you are making another mistake me thinks.<br /><br />this error is that only the state has, or should have, the power to right a wrong. . . .that the state, which got ALL of its power from YOU, has a monopoly on force.<br /><br />i struggle with the same scripture, especially in light of the injustice i see.<br /><br />however, i, and we all, have the right to defend life and property, and repeated assaults against such.<br /><br />and who's to say that YOU are not the executor of God's vengeance upon someone who has disobeyed God? Did not God use the Assyrians to punish Israel and vice versa?<br /><br />keep praying on it till you are at peace. i just think that some of us here have already reached that peace and know what will we do when the time comes. <br /><br />frenchyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-41818487626083963182012-12-01T20:24:56.062-07:002012-12-01T20:24:56.062-07:00Cabbie Paul, long time in responding as I find the...Cabbie Paul, long time in responding as I find the blogger system to be quite limiting. I'm not into action movies per se so you must be thinking of someone else. And I do agree wholeheartedly that if you really want to be left alone you need to find some place too poor and indifferent to want to screw with you. Any place with too much time, money and incentive will always find a way to mess with people. In the States? Move to the sticks.<br /><br />Now for cr106 and Christianity. I believe that one needn't go out of his way for revenge. Clearly. But we can thank legions of so-called bible believing Christians for all of the wars of opportunity and their support of the "troops" these years while we've been raped through taxation to support an empire of bases around the world. Where oh where and when for the love of god will they finally say "No" and stop suckling at the teat of Leviathan? Is it to keep their 501c3 status? How pathetic! Twains 'War Prayer' encapsulates their twisted, selfish and demented behavior. Fast forward a hundred years and it's no different today. I tell you this... if the Christian god is so small that he needs the help of this corrupt and evil people to bomb into oblivion foreigners then he must be pretty useless. How can believers on one side of their mouths exclaim that he holds your immortal soul in his hands and on the other feel he's incapable of understanding globo-political affairs and needs our help in bombing brown people?! Hypocrisy, thy name is Christian America. And I say this as one who long ago was a missionary so it comes as no joy saying this.MoTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-70782786705582249622012-12-01T10:11:41.376-07:002012-12-01T10:11:41.376-07:00Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh an...Ephesians 6:12<br />For we wrestle not against <b>flesh and blood</b>, but against principalities, against powers, <br />against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.<br /><br />The state provides us with an endless supply of enemies upon whom we can vent our wrath,<br />but it's a ruse.<br />Like everything else, it is a matter of supply and demand.<br />If you have it in your heart to hurt someone you will no doubt be given the opportunity.<br /><br />You may say, "It was the cop who raped my wife that put that anger in my heart, and<br />I am just to retaliate in defense at least to protect my daughter." <br /><br />True, but what is the proper defense? More violence?<br />When Christ commanded us to love our enemies He was not suggesting we lay down to them.<br />He was commanding that we not retaliate in like kind.<br /><br />Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth; that is the letter of the law, but violence begets<br />violence and the law serves only as a minister to that violence, not as a solution.<br /><br />2 Corinthians 3:6<br />Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the<br />spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.<br /><br />There is <i>only</i> one solution:<br /><br />Romans 12:21<br />Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.<br /><br />I am a Libertarian with a capital "L" but I'm here to tell you that the<br />"just war theory" is <i>bullshit</i> and anyone who buys into it is not part of the<br />solution but is a part of the problem. The "just war theory" has only served to<br />further entrench the state and make it all the more intractable, the same goes for <br />individuals. If the situation has come down to war, then you have been asleep at<br />the wheel for a very long time and perhaps you <i>should</i> have your ass kicked.<br /><br />So what of the cop that raped your wife? You want to tear his head off? Naturally.<br />But the problem isn't cop rapists, the problem is cops and their enablers. <br />And who are the enablers? . . . people who want to rip heads off, that's who. <br /><br />Try thinking outside the box that is your tiny selfish little heart and you might <br />find peace.willbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-51082293303752288862012-11-30T19:07:32.469-07:002012-11-30T19:07:32.469-07:00Good discussion, this. CR106, you ask excellent q...Good discussion, this. CR106, you ask excellent questions as to the limitations one must consider in acting in defense of oneself or another and what timeline is acceptable in the eyes of the Lord for doing so. I dare say none of us here has the complete answer to this question but I know we have all considered it at length. It is a decision we all must make for ourselves after much prayer and consideration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-70688507484757409622012-11-30T16:30:55.629-07:002012-11-30T16:30:55.629-07:00The comment moderation feature has been acting str...<i>The comment moderation feature has been acting strangely today. This is why several comments have either failed to post once I've approved them, or disappeared from the thread. I wish I knew how to fix the problem.</i><br /><br />Here's my post again from this morning:<br /><br /><i>At the time of the crime, yes. I will defend with all my ability, and with lethal force if necessary. After the fact? It's not so clear cut.</i><br /><br />Suppose that a flipped-out neighbor or (more plausibly) government thug started lobbing mortar shells on your home and others around you. You have no opportunity to "defend" against this aggression but you do know who is responsible. It seems that your idea of "morality" leaves you no recourse other than to accept the bombardment with a smile.<br /><br />Or suppose that a cop on the graveyard shift is a serial rapist, and this has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but the "law" won't touch him. You've never been present during his assaults, but are friends with one or more victims. Does your morality forbid you from taking the thug out if you get a chance?JdLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-38070618024311535942012-11-30T14:54:37.093-07:002012-11-30T14:54:37.093-07:00CR106 -- The comment moderation feature has been a...CR106 -- The comment moderation feature has been acting strangely today. This is why several comments have either failed to post once I've approved them, or disappeared from the thread. I wish I knew how to fix the problem. William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-80070457931529738062012-11-30T13:46:27.991-07:002012-11-30T13:46:27.991-07:00The comment that I replied to is no longer visible...The comment that I replied to is no longer visible.Chris Ritchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16397021653167517464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-49187053280158125532012-11-30T10:32:26.444-07:002012-11-30T10:32:26.444-07:00CR106:
You seem to have replied to my comment thi...CR106:<br /><br />You seem to have replied to my comment this morning even though my comment isn't posted yet; how did you do that?<br /><br />Your example of people bombing abortion clinics is a good one, as it illustrates how societies can fall into chaos because of disagreements over what represents a mortal sin. I don't happen to believe that abortion (before the fetus becomes well developed) IS a sin. Life, after all, does not <i>begin</i> with conception: sperm are alive, and so are unfertilized eggs. To be sure, the blueprint for a unique human being does come into existence when a particular sperm penetrates a particular egg, but I can't get particularly excited about the termination of a few cells making up a blob of protoplasm. The fact that we disagree illustrates out how crazy things can get when individuals with differing beliefs start killing people.<br /><br />One clarification: I definitely agree that killing for revenge is wrong. In my examples I tried to hypothesize a possible reason for killing someone who has not only committed terrible crimes but apparently will continue to commit terrible crimes. Of course, I realize that people who murder abortion doctors believe they're preventing deaths by causing deaths, and so are morally justified.JdLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-26725244454039183222012-11-30T08:31:38.074-07:002012-11-30T08:31:38.074-07:00Jdl
Each man (or woman) must decide for themselves...Jdl<br />Each man (or woman) must decide for themselves. This isn't my idea. It is God's idea. The verses in the Bible are clear cut. You may think I'm mis-interpreting them, but you'll need to provide other contextual scriptural evidence which supports your assertions.<br /><br />It's not my morality. It is the morality I see in the Bible. <br /><br />By your logic then, Christians should immediately murder all abortion doctors. The case that they are performing murder is clear cut, to a Christians mind. They are destroying life, which we believe begins at conception. We are not receiving justice from our current system because the majority of people don't share that morality. Should I just go bomb an abortion clinic then? Other Christians came to that conclusion, but were prosecuted by our laws.<br /><br />Sorry to say, but right now, my thinking on this issue is that revenge for the abortion doctors is not mine to take.Chris Ritchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16397021653167517464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-55793527578051525262012-11-30T06:10:36.524-07:002012-11-30T06:10:36.524-07:00Part 2
In executing individual justice, we are tak...Part 2<br />In executing individual justice, we are taking on a responsibility we are not meant to take on. The movie <i>Law Abiding Citizen</i> explored this issue. Not very well because it exalts the State at all costs, but it did show some of the downside to taking the law into our own hands, even when seemingly justified.<br /><br /><i>"Is protecting the weak and helpless not a founding principle of true Christianity? Are not the scriptures replete with examples of people being admonished by the Lord take up the sword in their own defense?"</i><br /><br />Where does it recommend this in the New Testament? Defense yes, as in Nehemiah when they were rebuilding the walls. I haven't come across any scripture where it says to seek out those who've done evil and slay them. Elijah did this at Mt. Carmel as described in 1 Kings 18. But, this was clearly with God's approval as God proved himself that day to all of those unbelievers. How do we extrapolate that to our situation dealing with people who haven't received proper justice, according to us? It's the same argument about the wars of the Old Testament. The U.S. cannot claim special revelation as if we are an extension of God's army. We aren't Israel. God isn't leading our army. So where do we get the idea that our army is doing God's will? Extrapolation doesn't work there and doesn't work when delivering individual justice. But I'm open to counter arguments.<br /><br /><br /><i>"Evil is as evil does. There is no evil in acting to protect self or another from a known violent criminal."</i><br /><br />At the time of the crime, yes. I will defend with all my ability, and with lethal force if necessary. After the fact? It's not so clear cut.Chris Ritchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16397021653167517464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-2166790034323385662012-11-30T06:04:24.822-07:002012-11-30T06:04:24.822-07:00Part 1
Thank you, Anonymous, for the reply. I mis...Part 1<br />Thank you, Anonymous, for the reply. I missed yours in dealing with Liberranter.<br /><br /><i>"but you make the assumption that any action taken against a violent sexual predator would be prompted by a desire for vengeance. What of the need to prevent further predations against others? Is the need to protect the helpless in our society not reason enough to take action?"</i><br /><br />Ok, but how do you judge? How do you decide? Has God spoken to you directly? Where is the dividing line? By that reasoning, we all become judge and jury. The Bible says a couple of things related to this. First, judge not, lest you be judged with the same measure you mete out. Second, Jesus told Peter that those that live by the sword, die by the sword. So, this isn't arguing that you CAN'T prevent further crimes by executing justice. But it seems that God wanted us to leave that judgment to the authorities in the society in which we live. That's assuming it's a law-abiding society and now we've moved the goalposts as it were with that assumption. If the U.S. is consistently refusing to prosecute its police force for blatant evil, can we trust it to carry out justice on behalf of its citizens? Great question. My original point was that the Bible's starting point is "don't take vengeance." These other things then need to be considered after that. You can see it is a slippery slope with what you consider evil and what someone else considers evil. And beyond that, what if our meddling gets in the way of the larger picture of what God is trying to do with that person who committed the crime or the victim's family? God sometimes does ask people to sacrifice their lives because the eternal consequences for others are more important than our lives here, or our freedom here. <br /><br />A note about freedom. Christians aren't "free" anyway. We have made ourselves bondservants of Christ. We willingly gave up our rights to Christ's Lordship. We are stewards of our lives and property. It all belongs to God. I think people operate under the misconception that we are to have freedom at all costs. I don't know. What would have happened if the Christian slaves after the fall of Rome had rebelled against their new masters? Would we have had a Christian Europe? Would the gospel had advanced? From that perspective, God used the subjugation of Christians for a few hundred years (think of that!) to Christianize western Europe. We are still living in the light of that blessing today. But it was a blessing borne of sacrifice.Chris Ritchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16397021653167517464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-57226214663886284192012-11-29T21:49:45.394-07:002012-11-29T21:49:45.394-07:00"Can someone (a Christian) offer an argument ..."Can someone (a Christian) offer an argument against that view?"<br /><br />I already did. And quite clearly, I believe. Perhaps you did not read it. Or does your definition of a "Christian" preclude anyone who does not share your interpretation of doctrine? If so, that would suggest you are one of those "born again" types that I find to be uneducated, intollerant, and annoying. But you don't seem to be annoying or uneducated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-36865349045552046272012-11-29T21:29:21.382-07:002012-11-29T21:29:21.382-07:00I just wanted to let you know i found you by liste...I just wanted to let you know i found you by listening to Dr Stan you are very good an there are mnny people listing to what you say we are out here keep up the great workAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-57006856986856756152012-11-29T20:43:17.434-07:002012-11-29T20:43:17.434-07:00Just cops being cops.
NTSJust cops being cops.<br /><br />NTSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-58852927643844240972012-11-29T13:14:44.566-07:002012-11-29T13:14:44.566-07:00God made some people big and powerful, and some pe...God made some people big and powerful, and some people small and powerless. Samuel Colt took care of that inequity.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17580823234422560750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-13050522507356430752012-11-29T10:16:23.613-07:002012-11-29T10:16:23.613-07:00may invest in a digital camcorder?may invest in a digital camcorder?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-31781874923451627482012-11-29T08:01:55.019-07:002012-11-29T08:01:55.019-07:00Thanks for the comments. I'm not saying that ...Thanks for the comments. I'm not saying that you can't defend yourself with lethal force in the moment. What I'm saying is that after the offense occurred, if you did not take the opportunity to defend yourself, you can't go back and exact revenge on the perpetrator. I'm saying that is what I see the Bible teaching. Can someone (a Christian) offer an argument against that view?Chris Ritchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16397021653167517464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-81340623385097249662012-11-28T21:31:57.283-07:002012-11-28T21:31:57.283-07:00Citizen rights, the natural right to defend onesel...Citizen rights, the natural right to defend oneself from unwanted "servicing" by officious cross dressing domestic "officers" in violation of their terms of employment starts with we the people, knowing the policy and procedures taught in the peace officer academy and how to firmly refuse to be ordered about. Or are you so scared you just cannot. I will speak only on the record in the presence of my counselor." Remember to remind snout hog of Miranda. Current blackshirt "tendency" is to seek to break the protestor. Let them kill me. I was going to die anyway, sometime. To quote, Russell Means, "Today is a good day" Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-34134129033524168362012-11-28T20:26:54.219-07:002012-11-28T20:26:54.219-07:00The Michigan Supreme Court ruled on People v. More...The Michigan Supreme Court ruled on People v. Moreno and has ruled that citizens can lawfully resist an unlawful arrest. http://www.mybaycity.com/scripts/p3_v2/P3V3-0200.cfm?P3_NewspaperID=1560&P3_articleID=006975 Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-21914691122774046742012-11-28T17:45:31.873-07:002012-11-28T17:45:31.873-07:00I will not initiate violence or fraud but I will a...<i>I will not initiate violence or fraud but I will absolutely reject it against myself and mine with whatever force is necessary.</i><br /><br />EXACTLY. The initiation of any form of aggressive violence against oneself or one's family, whether it is from an individual or "the State," is an automatic justification for invoking one's right to self-defense. This is an absolute right under the Natural Law <i>whether or not a pseudo-legal body under the control of the very state the agent(s) of whom are committing the unprovoked act of aggressive violence concurs or not.</i>liberranterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-25426954216990874652012-11-28T16:39:15.192-07:002012-11-28T16:39:15.192-07:00There are so many contradictions all the way throu...There are so many contradictions all the way through the current Bible as presented today, that it isn't funny. It starts right from Genesis Ch 1. It has so obviously been altered to fit some some groups whims in the past it's easily rebuttable or at the very least seriously questionable in any reliability. Ok, "strive not with a man whom has caused you no harm." Not defending the life given to you by God is in fact self murder and is a crime. "Love your neighbor as yourself." A so called police officer arbitrarily attacking you without stating and real cause for it is a criminal in fact and having been falsely arrested 3x now. There will not be a 4th time, having studied American law for 6 years now and knowing what a fraud the so called honorable courts are there is no justice only Just-us. I'm with Larken Rose let anyone hurt one of my loved ones without cause and not be held responsible and I will get justice for them period as is my right. I will not initiate violence or fraud but I will absolutely reject it against myself and mine with whatever force is necessary. Go live in North Korea or Red China if you don't like being an American, with liberty and justice for all. If the courts and police will not provide then We the people can. Pretty simple solution and they will run out of guys a long time before we will.Patrick Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09590826175356201052noreply@blogger.com