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PavePusher, You are not on "my" side if ...

2009-11-24T02:03:30.048-07:00

PavePusher,
You are not on "my" side if you are participating in building or maintaining this empire that has it's grip on the world. Bloodying up foreign countries doesn't count as serving your country according to any sane definition. I can't think of a time that the Department of Defense (sic) actually defended anything (other than the ability of the myriad military contractors to extract yet more money from destroying something somewhere). Maybe you can help me on that one.

If you're such a fan of personal responsibility, then maybe you can take stock of what you are contributing to and supporting. I won't spit on you, but I won't give a teary salute on the various military "holidays" either. I won't humiliate you, but I won't slap ribbon magnets on my car or pledge to "support the troops" either. Not that we have any choice in supporting any troops, what with the voluntary taxes and all.

As much as they might have convinced you in basic training, no military, government, or any such thing gives me my freedom. I don't owe you my right to speak, to protect myself, or my right to live how I want. Those rights can't be given by government because they aren't government's to give.

And I don't know if you've noticed, but we don't have a whole lot of say in "keeping the government in check" anymore. About the only option left is outright violent rebellion, and where do you think the military will stand on that? Who will you side with then? I'm betting you'll obey your masters.

Wow. As a 19-year serving member of the USAF, tha...

2009-11-21T21:55:49.599-07:00

Wow. As a 19-year serving member of the USAF, thanks to all of you for your support.

Please, stop now. And to the parent who has so mentally abused their daughter that she gets ill at the sight of a uniform... I have no words. You are despicable.

I am no statist lover of collectivism. I do believe this country has many problems, none of which need more government, most of which could be solved by emphasizing personal responsibility and a smaller government. But making this generation of the military the second to return home to being spit on, abused and humiliated in public, because YOU could not keep the government in check, is not the solution. Most of us want to be on your side, many of us ARE. And you want and need us to support you. This is not the way to get that. Every time you treat us as garbage, you weaken our trust and support. That can not end anywhere good. And it comes from all parts of the political axis.

Please think about this. Thank you.

"The military is the state's apparatus of...

2009-11-17T15:54:44.814-07:00

"The military is the state's apparatus of murder and property destruction. The welfare state is an instrument of social demolition. They really are complimentary sides of the same debased coin."
Truer words were never spoken. God Bless you Will.

From Roscoe to us: "Sissies" To Roscoe ...

2009-11-17T11:48:57.563-07:00

From Roscoe to us: "Sissies"

To Roscoe from us: Dumbass

Hey Anonymous, They come for your kids when they ...

2009-11-16T10:37:13.951-07:00

Hey Anonymous,

They come for your kids when they enroll in High School. And they get the school records as required by law. And they call and they call. And they have fine pep rallies. And they wave the flag. And they pay for their video arcade machines. And they scourer the school yearbook.

And your sons want that driver's license, so they get them when they turn 16. Yup. They get your kids.

And when they turn 18 they are "free" to make their own poor choices and they frequently will.

Gulliver, After reading your 3:27 AM post I am le...

2009-11-15T22:56:30.956-07:00

Gulliver,
After reading your 3:27 AM post I am left with no doubt that you are a sick, sick individual, badly in need of psychiatric hospitalization. I do hope you get the help that you are obviously in such desperate need of.
jk

Well said - Lemuel at 1242!

2009-11-15T19:01:14.155-07:00

Well said - Lemuel at 1242!

Lemuel, the ads that appear on my site are placed ...

2009-11-15T18:41:48.365-07:00

Lemuel, the ads that appear on my site are placed there through Google; I opened an advertising account in a (so far unavailing) effort to make some money from my blog. I have nothing to do with the ad selection.

Mr. Grigg, This is extremely important, and I'...

2009-11-15T16:16:49.326-07:00

Mr. Grigg,
This is extremely important, and I'd appreciate a reply. I have seen commercial ads on your site before from time to time, in the margins or below the articles, but now they have all disappeared. Did you put them up, and did you take them down? If the answer is no, then Someone is hacking into your site. Please advise?
Lemuel Gulliver.

Overall the U.S. military command aka Pentagon, ha...

2009-11-15T10:06:57.993-07:00

Overall the U.S. military command aka Pentagon, has become as morally and intellectually bancrupt as their treasonous, looney tune civilian massas in Washington. The U.S. military has devolved into a souless, mercenary army as cruel and without honor as the Roman Legions who were sent all over the world to secure and maintain a world order, while the country of their birth was flushed down the toilet. As a vet, I realise that their are a myriad of good, devout, compassionate warriors in service, daily fighting the good fight to stand tall for values, some in positions of some authority, but these are not the ones running the big show. They would gladly give their lives for America’s freedom, if they ever found themselves in a fight that had something to do WITH freedom! Instead, they are deploy all over the world in various nation-building missions. Nation-building, meaning that countries are destabalized, then reconfigured to fit the design of the NWO architects. In growing numbers, commanders mindlessly follow and in turn give unlawful orders, in the name of “just doing my job sir.” Yes, need I say, like Nazis running the death camps. I’m not anti-war, merely in favor of correctly identifying the real enemy.

Americans have always been a patriotic bunch
and never backed down from a fight

Time and again we’ve gone to war.
believen our cause was right.

Only to learn later that we were lied to so we’d sacrifice those we treasured
so the ruling class can seize more power, their evil can’t be measure.

Anyone who’s studied the facts knows that Pearl Harbor could have been averted
But Roosevelt wanted us in that war, a cause we thought righteous now seems perverted

So many instances of covert ops, because war needs justification
so the government will even attack itself, it’s called False Flag operation

the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a all a lie told by LBJ
nobody knew why we were in asia except the President wanted it that way

and so 58,000 Americans died in viet nam
if the govt. had wanted to win that war, it would have only taken one bomb.

While the facts prove 9-11 was a false flag, yep another inside job
if you say it they call you part of the crazy conspiracy mob.

But it gave Washington what they wanted
a 100yr “war on terror.”

To establish a New World Order
correct me if you think i’m in error.

We have troops in 140 countries with 800 bases oversees
you’re told their fighting for freedom, but their used as mercenaries

While at home, the EPA, DEA, ATF, IRS, FEMA and the FBI
grow more and more outta hand

An out of control federal govt is a greater threat
than Alcaida or the Taliban

ben laden was a scapegoat, we seem to have fallen for the ploy.
ignoring the fact that the power to tax is the REAL power to destroy.

We’vd the finest military in the world no doubt.
of courage and skill they’ve no lack

let’s bring em home to fight the terrorists in washington
and take our government back.

Deo Vindice

Well, Roscoe, I never asked you to put your life o...

2009-11-15T08:36:21.213-07:00

Well, Roscoe, I never asked you to put your life on the line for anything. That you did yourself. Any "freedoms" I have, or worth defending, don't require your participation in the military. As I recall the Minutemen of old were voluntary. If I'm wrong then someone please correct me. If I haven't the freedom to say, "no", and not allow myself to be financially and politically raped over and again by gangsters in DC and their obedient Sardaukar, then what imaginary "freedoms" are being "protected". That's like the meat packing plant taking pains in making sure the cattle arrive in one piece and don't stray off the range before the slaughter. Mustn't let the cattle get hurt in order to maximize their profit. That's why we're kept safe fat and happy. For our own good they say.

All, Let us not be too harsh on Roscoe. He is a v...

2009-11-15T01:42:29.440-07:00

All,

Let us not be too harsh on Roscoe. He is a victim, as I said above. He deserves sympathy , as do all our poor sons and daughters overseas giving the best years of their lives, and sometimes their very lives, fighting for the obscene wealth of the corporations, the bankers, and Israel. Let us not give vent to anger - it is not Roscoe's fault.

Rather let us mourn the tragedy of war down through the centuries. It has never, ever, been about one man fighting another, whom he never met, and who never harmed him.

During the Civil War, on several occasions the Rebels and the Union troops would get together around campfires in the night, to play cards, tell stories, and sing together, then go back to their respective camps to begin killing each other again when the sun came up.

During the First World War, there was a famous occasion on Christmas Eve of one year, when troops in the German trenches began singing Christmas carols, and the Allied troops took up the songs and joined in from a hundred yards away. Then men began to emerge from the trenches, to cross no-man's-land, and to drink and sing and share their meager Christmas goodies with troops of the other side. Germans came into the Allied trenches, and Allies went over into the German trenches.

For the politicians, the officers and the generals, this was probably the most terrifying moment of that war. Imagine - the men would not shoot each other, but wanted to chat and sing carols and show the "enemy" photos of their loved ones. Humanity and sanity was in danger of breaking out all over.

The day after Christmas, the killing began again.

Most human beings love their lives, and understand that other human beings do also, and consider it a crime and a sin to kill another person. It is only a certain type of warped and slightly insane person who loves death and killing - people such as Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, and most of the people who aspire to "lead" the rest of us.

Unfortunately those vile scum have been with us since the beginning of time, and will probably never go away. Now and then we manage to rid ourselves of one bunch, only to have another bunch take their place.

Poor Roscoe. He finds it hard to face the harsh truth that he wasted his youth in some God-forsaken sandpit, killing innocent people who never wished him or the rest of us any harm, but who had oil or other resources under their feet that our corporations wanted to steal. Imagine how hard it must be to admit to yourself that all the sacrifice and pain and loss were in vain, just to enrich some Jew sitting in a penthouse office on Wall Street, or to re-elect some sleazy politician who thinks his shit doesn't stink.

Poor Roscoe. Let us thank him for having the courage to speak his mind against the chorus of hostility he has received here, and let us maintain his right to speak it. Let us distinguish between the sheep like Roscoe, and the wolves in sheep's clothing who have bamboozled him. Let us save our anger for the perpetrators of abominations, not their victims.

Lemuel Gulliver.

Sissies.

2009-11-15T01:35:40.229-07:00

Sissies.

Will, if it weren't for people like Roscoe, th...

2009-11-14T21:07:30.107-07:00

Will, if it weren't for people like Roscoe, the pajama-clad Viet Cong would have landed on our beaches with AK-47's, and started planting toe-poppers and punji stakes. And thank goodness these defenders invaded Iraq. They were just about to invade and impose Shariah law on us all. It is because of men like these that we don't all speak Vietnamese, Tagalog, Korean, Spanish, Arabic, and why not, the Japanese, who never had the logistical capacity to invade the United State.

-Sans Authoritas

"I've defended with my life your First Am...

2009-11-14T20:24:03.831-07:00

"I've defended with my life your First Amendment right to write and say whatever you think, and I'd gladly do so again...."

File this under "Things That Simply Must Be Said":

Never within living memory have the rights protected by the First Amendment been threatened by anyone but the government ruling us.

It's difficult for me to see how someone can defend my rights while taking a paycheck from the government that threatens them. Risking one's life on behalf of that government is hardly the same as risking it on behalf of my rights.

Exactly! Pay no attention to me. Though I've...

2009-11-14T19:55:49.925-07:00

Exactly! Pay no attention to me. Though I've defended with my life your First Amendment right to write and say whatever you think, and I'd gladly do so again, I couldn't care less WHAT you think anyhow. Still, it's a gas to see you guys get so hopping mad just because you can't stand me saying what I think. You guys are fun as a game of whack-a-mole! Thank you so very much for the entertainment.

It is a blessing to be able to come here and refre...

2009-11-14T18:30:43.706-07:00

It is a blessing to be able to come here and refresh my soul by reading the words of sane men.

Sane men who understand that someone who stands behind you with a gun and tells you what to do is not a "leader." Nor is a man who drags you by a chain.

-Sans Authoritas

Millions of Americans are being incited to hate...

2009-11-14T15:39:13.962-07:00
Millions of Americans are being incited to hate Muslims, to hate Latinos, to hate Blacks, to hate anybody different from themselves, all for a good reason - to keep them angry and ready to fight for the disgusting wealth of the oligarchs and corporations and the grinding poverty of everyone else.

Exactly. It cannot be repeated often enough: "DIVIDE AND CONQUER" was, is, and always will be the most effective tool for the Establishment in maintaining and strengthening its power over us. Given that human civilization in general (and American civilization in particular) has demonstrated an entrenched and persistent inability to learn from its past or perceive the realities of its present, the likelihood of such delusion-fueled slavery ending is, sadly, quite remote. I do hope my cynicism is proven to be unfounded, but I'm not optimistic.

Pay no attention to Roscoe. He's just a troll, and a rather unoriginal one at that.

Oh, if I were you guys, I wouldn't trouble mys...

2009-11-14T15:10:40.088-07:00
Oh, if I were you guys, I wouldn't trouble myself about my humble opinion. Those of us who rush to confront trouble are in a vast minority, so we'll never be a majority -- hence our opinions will never outweigh yours. I know my feelings on this subject are unrealistic, I just think they are morally valid. You are born to your vote, a.k.a. citizenship, in this country. I think we should all have to earn it. If that were the case, only those to whom it is valuable and sacred would gain it. No need to worry about me and the thought I've voiced. I'm nobody's leader. I'm just another guy with a personal opinion.

I am an Eagle Scput and pretty much an Anarcho- Ca...

2009-11-14T13:06:17.881-07:00
I am an Eagle Scput and pretty much an Anarcho- Capitalist. I was blessed to have a troop leader who tended to be a somewhat left leaning progressive. At the time I didn't realize this - however what i did realize was little emphasis on the flag and patriotism, no emphasis whatsoever on songs, marches,chants and any other kinds of other mindless group oriented bullshit. Instead the emphasis was on getting outdoors learning the skills of camping, canoeing,, backpacking, winter camping etc.. It was a wonderful experience and the skills that I learned from this leader are one of the reasons I absolutely love the outdoors and being in the woods today.

Roscoe 206 you have it all wrong: Taxpayers are pr...

2009-11-14T12:59:38.127-07:00
Roscoe 206 you have it all wrong: Taxpayers are producers while veterans (and their ilk) are nothing but parasites.

Whatever the hubbub is, being physically fit can w...

2009-11-14T10:58:44.104-07:00
Whatever the hubbub is, being physically fit can ward off a whole host of health problems, regardless of required/not so required military service.

That's where you folks come in.

Roscoe, Our problem is that those who put themsel...

2009-11-14T04:27:49.387-07:00
Roscoe,

Our problem is that those who put themselves forward as our "leaders" are just leading us to the mutton factory. If you knew how horrible the truth of this fraudulent "War on Terror" was, you would never sleep 8 hours at a stretch ever again. There IS no such organization as "Al Qaeda." It was made up by the CIA in the 1980's. It is the Arabic name for the computer database of names of the Mujahedeen that the CIA organized and trained in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. This fictitious organization did NOT plan 9-11. It was conceived entirely within these American shores, and dozens of people in several countries, including the originators - Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, GHW Bush, GW Bush, plus accessories - Prince Bandar, Osama bin Laden, the Mossad, the CIA, the Saudi Secret Police, and others - knew about it beforehand. The greatest mass murder of Americans BY Americans in our history (not counting the Civil War,) was designed to turn this nation into a police state and a dictatorship.

The plot failed, mainly thanks to the some 45 brave passengers on United Flight 93. To them alone do we owe the preservation of the Republic and the Constitution.

The 2,978 WTC and Pentagon victims, the 6,000 or so (the numbers they admit to, which I have on good authority are way too low,) troops who have been killed, the 60,000 or so who have been wounded, and 750,000 Iraqis who have died as a consequence - all these died or were maimed for life for the oil companies, the defense contractors, the Zionist Israelis and their American Jewish supporters, the aspirations to dictatorial powers of the Republican Party, and the lust for obscene wealth of their corporate friends.

A book will appear in due course which lays out the entire plot. It is amazing when you hear the truth of it - suddenly everything falls into place, all loose ends are tied up, all questions and speculations disappear, and it all becomes crystal clear. One says, "Of course. That makes utter and perfect sense - all of it." God help the conspirators and the author when the book does come out. The truth is already spreading by word of mouth in certain circles in the Pentagon and elsewhere.

Millions of Americans are being incited to hate Muslims, to hate Latinos, to hate Blacks, to hate anybody different from themselves, all for a good reason - to keep them angry and ready to fight for the disgusting wealth of the oligarchs and corporations and the grinding poverty of everyone else.

The vile and depraved foulness of these evil people is so immense and horrific it is beyond the imagination of most sane human beings.

And THIS is what you want to shed your blood for? And the blood of your children and grandchildren?

It would be unkind of me to call you a jackass. You are just one of the sorriest and most deluded victims I have ever been privileged to encounter.

Yours in sympathy,
Lemuel Gulliver.

PS: I take it you have NOT read Smedley Butler. No doubt you know more about war and the armed services than a Marine Corps General who won TWO Congressional Medals of Honor. I applaud your stunning depth of wisdom.
- Gulliver.

Don't be too quick to discredit the entire B.S...

2009-11-13T22:58:01.119-07:00
Don't be too quick to discredit the entire B.S.A. A very high percentage of Eagle Scouts I know are strongly libertarian compared to the average Joe off the street.

Happy to have inspired your thoughts. Proud to ha...

2009-11-13T20:18:07.368-07:00
Happy to have inspired your thoughts. Proud to have been of service to you as well.