tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post7579686075426476666..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: The Lethal Illusion Called "Authority"William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-78003696789785740942011-05-09T15:01:57.154-06:002011-05-09T15:01:57.154-06:00With Ian Birk's photo clearly visible with thi...With Ian Birk's photo clearly visible with this article it is possible for all those who are repulsed by his killing of John T Williams and come into contact with him to treat him with the clear disdain that he deserves. Do not voluntarily interact with him at all - no services, no products, no anything by which he would benefit!<br /><br />Negatively social preference Birk right out of whatever area he is currently living in - and then do it again wherever he flees. While the government in the locale of Willaims' murder has chosen not to prosecute Birk, those who are disgusted by his actions can shame and shun him as well as all other enforcers once they know their names, general location and have a recent photograph for identification. Keeping those photos and general location current would be a benefit providing service, worthy of financial support by those who are themselves responsible and seek such behavior in others.<br /> <br />Holding others responsible for their actions and being responsible for one's own actions are necessities in an orderly society. Much of that has gone by the wayside in the current one even for those who are well known and for whom actions can be directly related to their direction/order - the current and previous President are prime examples. I have written in general on this subject, one is "Tax/Regulation Protests are Not Enough: Relationship of Self-Responsibility and Social Order" - http://selfsip.org/focus/protestsnotenough.htmlKitty Antonik Wakferhttp://selfsip.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-90396196947689360132011-05-09T13:10:46.918-06:002011-05-09T13:10:46.918-06:00Once upon a time, a rogue murdering cop like this ...Once upon a time, a rogue murdering cop like this would have been prosecuted and hanged, run out of town, or shot. What the hell has happened to us as a people that we sit back and allow our police forces to become roving bands of pillaging, murdering thugs? We have truly become a nation of sheep who have lost the ability and the will for self determination. When do we, as a society, wake up and realize that a violent criminal is still a violent criminal even if he wears a uniform and a badge? When will police departments start to weed out the bad apples among them? Cops constantly whine about the dangers of their job and the lack of respect shown to them by the people in their communities. It seems to me they are not intelligent enough to see this is a problem of their own creation.<br /><br />jkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-33074555313431905172011-05-07T09:52:36.915-06:002011-05-07T09:52:36.915-06:00Unfortunately, Eileen, this TV show wouldn't r...Unfortunately, Eileen, this TV show wouldn't reach a very wide audience due to interference from the major networks, which are merely a cog in the overall machine that attempts to guide our lives. Anything other than grateful fawning over our troops (home <i>and</i> abroad!) is forbidden.<br /><br />Producing this sort of show independently is possible with outlets like youtube, but might require the acquisition of footage from patrol car cameras, which I suppose would be difficult given the slant of the show.<br /><br />An undertaking of that sort is more possible now than ever before, given the access to information, footage, and affordable editing equipment.Isaachttp://www.thestanfielddoctrine.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-30914979702129065932011-05-07T07:57:24.672-06:002011-05-07T07:57:24.672-06:00Stories like this are so frequent, why not produce...Stories like this are so frequent, why not produce a TV show with a different psycho cop incident featured every week? I'm serious! This would reach a much wider audience and would get people riled up enough to do something about all these losers out there in police costume. If it's entertaining (and it would be), lots of people are going to watch, and perhaps this would put a stop to a lot of the attitudes of awe which so many sheeple exhibit toward these ruthless, dangerous, insecure bullies. Not sure what it would take, but there's a hit show there for sure! Thanks for this site, Mr. Grigg - you're doing a real public service!Eileenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06460375040997673344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-13615281445621434002011-05-05T19:19:46.621-06:002011-05-05T19:19:46.621-06:00Wow--you're allowed to murder someone due to &...Wow--you're allowed to murder someone due to 'pre-attack indicators'?<br /><br />Can we start arresting police officers for 'pre-rape indicators'? They have the *capability* (male parts) and I'm sure I've seen a few of them leer at women which is a 'pre-rape indicator' in my book...<br /><br />It's absolutely absurd.Aaron C. de Bruynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04898305272010592221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-91006349335117200432011-05-05T14:25:58.717-06:002011-05-05T14:25:58.717-06:00Mo, you're right. This is not behavior typical...Mo, you're right. This is not behavior typical of policemen. More typically, policemen engage in lower-level, non-fatal forms of violence. But the problem isn't policemen; it is the INSTITUTION called "the police." The institution permits murder under the color of law. Therefore the institution is corrupt.<br /><br />All it takes is ONE case demonstrating that an institution protects criminal behavior to demonstrate that the institution has to go; that it must be replaced with something different. But because The Police have a territorial, compulsory monopoly, there is no getting rid of them. What The Police presents to society is a place where bullies and sociopaths can go to become legally-protected bullies and sociopaths, provided they are willing to keep their bullying and sociopathy within certain limits.<br /><br />It doesn't matter how many genuinely decent and good people join The Police in order to catch genuinely dangerous and evil people. The fact is that <i>the insitution</i> will always attract the very sort of people who, absent badges and uniforms, they would be out to get! You can't talk about a few bad apples in the barrel when they barrel itself has a corrupting influence on its contents.MacFallhttp://fledgepress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-90677315870696936492011-05-05T13:47:56.351-06:002011-05-05T13:47:56.351-06:00Cops do see the worst of humanity every day, in th...Cops do see the worst of humanity every day, in the locker room of the station house. There are no good cops, no not one. Every one of them is dirty.Chris Mallorynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-85709344286458007172011-05-05T10:46:31.041-06:002011-05-05T10:46:31.041-06:00Mo, as far as I can tell virtually every police of...Mo, as far as I can tell virtually every police officer is a felon. If not by acts of comission, by acts of omission.<br /><br />Even if just a small percentage of police officers plant evidence, abuse a suspect or perjure themselves on a witness stand to obtain a conviction (that latter is probably greater than 50%), they have all heard credible reports of another officer doing so. If they fail to investigate or treat one of their "brethren" any differently than they would someone not wearing a government issued costume they are accomplices and accessories to the crime and every bit as guilty as the actual perpetrator.<br /><br />And, note, I refuse to hide behind a pseudonym or otherwise.Keith Hamburgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-4714381816550357702011-05-05T08:47:24.051-06:002011-05-05T08:47:24.051-06:00For eight years I employed cops as cash security a...For eight years I employed cops as cash security at an NFL stadium. I KNOW cops better than the average person. And here's my take on the species:<br /><br />http://gunrights4usall.blogspot.com/search/label/Police?updated-max=2009-10-03T06%3A50%3A00-04%3A00&max-results=20GunRights4UShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16830687524291663778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-61095533703079867292011-05-05T08:31:49.478-06:002011-05-05T08:31:49.478-06:00Mo -- thanks for the following valuable contributi...Mo -- thanks for the following valuable contribution to the discussion:<br /><br /><i>I've learned that Cops, in general, are NOT gun people. Maybe one in five is what I would consider proficient (and familiar) with their firearms (Pistols, Shotguns and ARs) My advice to anyone who is dealing with law enforcement with drawn guns is to comply completely and quickly as you are in grave danger no matter how innocent or 'right' you are. All of the negligent discharges I'm aware of on our range have been by cops.</i><br /><br />This is one reason, among many others, why it is <i>much</i> more dangerous to be a "civilian" than to be a police officer. "Law enforcement" is simply not that dangerous a profession: You would face much greater dangers as a commercial fisherman, farmer, logger, or trucker than as a police officer. <br /><br />Yet police are constantly indoctrinated in the belief that they live in a 360-degree battlefield, that everyone not accoutered as they are should be considered a potentially lethal threat, and that even a momentary refusal to submit on the part of a "civilian" should be seen as a "threat indicator."<br /><br />When culpable incompetence in handling firearms is added to that mix -- which, as you noted, it frequently is -- it becomes clear that government police forces actually represent a net subtraction from public safety.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-20600710517503095382011-05-05T08:10:28.657-06:002011-05-05T08:10:28.657-06:00While I'm not trying to defend this shoot, I d...While I'm not trying to defend this shoot, I don't believe it is typical of Policemen. I know a number of them and they are good folks and neighbors. I also work as an RSO at our club's range when local departments qualify. I've learned that Cops, in general, are NOT gun people. Maybe one in five is what I would consider proficient (and familiar) with their firearms (Pistols, Shotguns and ARs) My advice to anyone who is dealing with law enforcement with drawn guns is to comply completely and quickly as you are in grave danger no matter how innocent or 'right' you are. All of the negligent discharges I'm aware of on our range have been by cops. Luckily, no injuries (so far). Scary. <br /><br />Cops are just regular folks that want to make it home after work. Unfortunately they see the very worst of humanity on a daily basis and I suspect it jades them to some degree. It's a tough job and the good ones really earn their pay and do a tremendous service for all of us. Rather than lump them into the same category as the officer in this story I give them the benefit of the doubt.Mohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07383840888620905503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-60249769402436925572011-05-05T05:55:01.419-06:002011-05-05T05:55:01.419-06:00Oh yes, if you are wearing the uniform and sportin...Oh yes, if you are wearing the uniform and sporting the badge, you have license to kill, without provocation.<br /><br />IMHO, we, the people, ought to be shooting back, and protecting each other from these armed thugs.<br /><br />Bob<br />IIIidahobobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12857771751176894988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7279870745818935282011-05-05T05:47:31.210-06:002011-05-05T05:47:31.210-06:00Will.
Your observations are correct, and I would ...Will.<br /><br />Your observations are correct, and I would add to that:<br /><br />You mention that the officer was at position "sal" which, I believe is to say that the officer had his handgun in his hand and draped across his body for a faster response.<br /><br />If this is indeed the case, it is worthy to note that the mentioned "21 foot rule" (Tueller Drill, see http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Tueller/How.Close.htm) was designed to primarily teach the response time for a holstered firearm.<br /><br />Not only was he tactically wrong for closing the distance, he was wrong for quoting a 21 foot rule for having the gun in his hands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-81647801878354041672011-05-05T04:02:51.523-06:002011-05-05T04:02:51.523-06:00I treat every contact with cops as potentially dea...I treat every contact with cops as potentially deadly. I’m armed and I train regularly, and I consider them my enemy in every sense. While I seek no confrontation with them, I’m not going to roll over for them either. Modern day LEO is the cutting edge of tyranny’s knife, and there must come a point wherein that edge needs “blunting”. <br /><br />When loading your carry weapon, do so with gloves to keep your prints off the ammo. It may be that you survive the encounter and have an opportunity to scat. No sense wasting valuable time gathering up shell cases!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-82560472019846952592011-05-05T00:15:46.899-06:002011-05-05T00:15:46.899-06:00Every "hesitation" on the part of someon...Every "hesitation" on the part of someone faced by a member of the fat blue line is thus defined by the survivor, the COP, as confrontational? Of course, like history, it's the victors who write the tales.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com