tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post7363464416077787597..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Federal Prosecutors: A Human PestilenceWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-5813862100270371202007-11-28T19:44:00.000-07:002007-11-28T19:44:00.000-07:00If I read the 14th Amendment right, and Lysander S...If I read the 14th Amendment right, and Lysander Spooner, our problem seems to be in claiming to be US citizens. The USA, being a "political fiction" doesn't exist in nature, SO, how can one be born "in" it?<BR/>No one [Will] answers the question of "HOW one becomes a US citizen" if he never knowingly, willingly, being fully informed of the consequences "volunteered into subjection" to state/federal govt.<BR/>"At the revolution," <I>Chisholm v Georgia</I> the people were politically equal as "sovereigns without subjects." Therefore, when some men wrote the Constitution, we should ask "By who/what authority could anyone of us be subjected to it or its created govt apart from our volunteering?<BR/>Anyhow, since none of us <B>remembers</B> or <B>"knows"</B> where we were born, why say what we only <B>"think"</B> instead of making the govt prove political jurisdiction. Actually, it can't!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-36395320940710071962007-11-06T01:15:00.000-07:002007-11-06T01:15:00.000-07:00Kudos DD.I remember reading your points on this ma...Kudos DD.<BR/>I remember reading your points on this matter. Good ideas all. I'm definitely on board with DD's and Bob's dismantling-the-dystopian- Leviathan reclamation project.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-21951777313441448852007-11-05T22:14:00.000-07:002007-11-05T22:14:00.000-07:00I am beginning to believe that this entity known a...<I>I am beginning to believe that this entity known as the United States may have outlived its' usefulness. Perhaps it's time this country be broken up to dozens, or even hundreds, of independent nations.</I><BR/><BR/>I understand perfectly bob. I've said similar <A HREF="http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2007/08/illegal-immigration-past-and-present.html#c2835325780163850497" REL="nofollow">here</A> and <A HREF="http://www.haloscan.com/comments/voxday/113571921873206906/#989859" REL="nofollow">elsewhere</A> myself ;). You're certainly not alone with that thought.dixiedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-15825572713754970272007-11-05T20:10:00.000-07:002007-11-05T20:10:00.000-07:00Say... wasn't Rudy Gulianni a Federal Prosecutor?N...Say... wasn't Rudy Gulianni a Federal Prosecutor?<BR/><BR/>Nevermind... pretend I didn't even ask that qvestion!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-85126815358258599232007-11-05T09:15:00.000-07:002007-11-05T09:15:00.000-07:00Bob:An excellent idea the time of which will event...Bob:<BR/><BR/>An excellent idea the time of which will eventually come to pass (methinks that the <I>Free State</I> project, whether its advocates realize it or not, is a step in that direction). At the present time, however, I don't think that such a movement can occur without hideous bloodshed. Leviathan, in its desperation (a sign of the onset of its death throes) will use every means of force at its disposal to keep the states in line, resulting in a bloodbath that will make the War to Prevent Southern Independence look like a schoolyard scuffle.liberranterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-70782263713717641802007-11-05T04:46:00.000-07:002007-11-05T04:46:00.000-07:00William,Once again you have written something that...William,<BR/><BR/>Once again you have written something that is too important for people to ignore. As one who has written a large number of articles and papers about the growth of federal criminal law, I can vouch 100 percent for your conclusions.<BR/><BR/>In his book <I>The Road to Serfdom</I>, F.A. Hayek had a chapter in which he explained "why the worst get on top." The offices of prosecutors -- and especially federal offices -- are full of bullies and people who enjoy torturing others. They are the worst people, as opposed to their being characterized as the "best and the brightest."<BR/><BR/>In the name of shameless self-promotion, I have included a link to a piece that Candice E. Jackson and I wrote for Reason Magazine nearly four years ago about the growth of this cancerous "federal crime" industry.<BR/><BR/>http://www.reason.com/news/show/29099.html<BR/><BR/>Also, I would highly recommend the series by Bill Moushey in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette nine years ago, entitled, "Win At All Costs."<BR/><BR/>http://www.post-gazette.com/win/<BR/><BR/>It details the dishonest culture that is at the heart of federal prosecutions and federal "law enforcement."<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your comments and your insight. They are felt deeply by this person.<BR/><BR/>And it always is good to see my friend Jerri Lynn posting. Indeed, her analogy here is on the mark. One can see that in modern federal law, in that Congress passes the law, but the way it is applied is created by the bureaucrats who write the regulations.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, even though regulations themselves do not carry criminal penalties of broken, nonetheless, federal prosecutors find a way to charge violators with crimes, anyway.<BR/><BR/>At the same time, we also see federal prosecutors ignoring crimes that are committed for political reasons. The recent Duke Lacrosse case, in which prosecutors and police lied, broke the law, and knowingly indicted innocent people, simply is being ignored by the authorities. I mean, why deal with police and prosecutorial misconduct when there is a single mother to throw into prison?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-22452065726195343912007-11-05T02:24:00.000-07:002007-11-05T02:24:00.000-07:00The doctrine of "dual sovereignty" certainly makes...The doctrine of "dual sovereignty" certainly makes it conceivable...Daniel M. Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07756525227609911646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-72210641011929839002007-11-05T00:35:00.000-07:002007-11-05T00:35:00.000-07:00Bob, you make some good points. It's in the nature...Bob, you make some good points. It's in the nature of things for government to grow and for liberty to yield. The chains of a constitution worked to restrain that trend for a while but the links were eventually broken one by one allowing the beast to rampage into our lives almost without restraint. <BR/><BR/>Even if we wanted to keep the "system" going it would eventually be impossible to do because unleashed Leviathan has acquired an insatiable taste for the value of the money and supply of credit that makes its existence (and ours) possible. In short, the gluttonous thing is rapidly outstripping its available food supply.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-44293393530914045952007-11-04T19:14:00.000-07:002007-11-04T19:14:00.000-07:00What a delicious idea! I think Bob is onto somethi...What a delicious idea! I think Bob is onto something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-78912973725853999372007-11-03T00:02:00.000-06:002007-11-03T00:02:00.000-06:00I am beginning to believe that this entity known a...I am beginning to believe that this entity known as the United States may have outlived its' usefulness. Perhaps it's time this country be broken up to dozens, or even hundreds, of independent nations. The country, as constituted now, has become ungovernable. The Federal government was originally set up as an agent of the states, and this country was supposed to be a voluntary association of sovereign and independent states. With law enforcement resembling more and more like the Gestapo and/or KGB, perhaps it's time to dissolve this country and start over.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16565620274260288512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-5378984770821747622007-11-02T22:57:00.000-06:002007-11-02T22:57:00.000-06:00They're all going to get theirs one day. Scary tho...They're all going to get theirs one day. Scary thought.zachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05334525584242029389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-62825020356723748582007-11-02T22:37:00.000-06:002007-11-02T22:37:00.000-06:00Jerri Lynn -- I think you're exactly right. "Thus ...Jerri Lynn -- I think you're exactly right. "Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition." (Matthew 15:6). <BR/><BR/>The Pharisees were big believers in "making a hedge around the law"; those hedges, in turn, were circumscribed by other enactments, and the process metasasized to such an extent that the entire point of the law was lost. Of course, exactly the same thing can be seen today where constitutional interpretation is concerned, the Lanza case being a very suitable example.<BR/><BR/>Straightarrow, because I've been so preoccupied I neglected to tell you how much I enjoyed and appreciated your comments on an earlier thread. And thank you so much for the prayers and kind words on behalf of my family. As our trials deepen, it's a source of considerable comfort to know that people like you are praying on our behalf.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-86082838733836562282007-11-02T22:23:00.000-06:002007-11-02T22:23:00.000-06:00Will,You know the Bible a heck of a lot better tha...Will,<BR/><BR/>You know the Bible a heck of a lot better than I do. Given that, would you not compare the case law approach to interpretation of the Constitution to what the Pharisees were doing to scripture during the time of Jesus?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-27136499096722204072007-11-02T16:41:00.000-06:002007-11-02T16:41:00.000-06:00I gotta wonder about the person who posed the ques...I gotta wonder about the person who posed the question "Would you agree that a dunk in water is a no-brainer if it saves lives?" What planet is this person living on? A "dunk in water?" Either this guy has no idea what waterboarding is, or he is just a shameless liar.Al Newberryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12702350396853727859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-91773176263824227132007-11-02T16:26:00.000-06:002007-11-02T16:26:00.000-06:00I said at the time of the retrial of the wrongfull...I said at the time of the retrial of the wrongfully acquitted criminal cops in the Rodney King fiesco, that the fifth amendendment right against double jeopardy had been repealed by dishonest and power mongering tyrants on the ascendance.<BR/><BR/>Everybody I know, accused me of being a racist supporting the torture of a black man by officers of the law.<BR/><BR/>I submit that the jury who acquitted the cops the first time were the racists, because nobody in his right mind with even a barely functioning moral compass, could view the tape of that beating and acquit the criminal assailants.<BR/><BR/>But, of course, my opinion wasn't politically correct due to reasons of race. Therefore it could be ignored while the rights of the entire populace of the country be sacrificed in the interest of proving we weren't racists and in appeasing the race baiters who make a living by exploiting such issues. <BR/><BR/>The only issue was and is, is a member of the HUMAN RACE, being denied their constitutional rights. King was, and then in retribution so were the rest of us. Little attention was paid to principle over politics. Now we reap what we sowed by our support for making exceptions to the rules. Unfortunately, exceptions to the rules eventually become customary practice and the de facto rules constitute tyranny.<BR/><BR/>Now we see, commonly, the effect such nonconsequential agressions against the constitution have for the rest of society.<BR/><BR/>We cannot, as a society, say we do not deserve it, for we do. We abandoned principle in favor of temporary and fleeting righteous indignation (deserved indignation). We have cooperated in our own enslavement.<BR/><BR/>On another note;<BR/><BR/>My prayers are with your wife and your family. If God cannot give you the outcome you want may He give you what you need.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com