tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post6692997582643224793..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: About that "War on Cops"....William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-33180869011525141742012-03-15T00:37:29.671-06:002012-03-15T00:37:29.671-06:00Man, I am so glad I don't police anymore. I fo...Man, I am so glad I don't police anymore. I found this old thread and read what all of the pricks had to say here. <br /><br />Thank God, I don't do this anymore. Shit, I don't even feel like arguing with you idiots. That's how serene my life has become.<br /><br />BoiseFrankenstein Governmenthttp://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-43680818605376710222011-07-22T13:38:42.114-06:002011-07-22T13:38:42.114-06:00"Badge-sniffer"? Anonymous is a copsucke..."Badge-sniffer"? Anonymous is a copsucker if I ever saw one. Or worse. Maybe he/she/it is a <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yb4nj22" rel="nofollow">LEO</a> in person.<br /><br />Badge-sniffer, copsucker Anonymous may need cops to protect its pathetic butt, but real human beings certainly don't. Cops protect no one but themselves and the corrupt State they serve.Kent McManigalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05005964583189815410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-38903512487115131812011-07-22T10:30:11.727-06:002011-07-22T10:30:11.727-06:00After you've lived within a segment of the pop...<i>After you've lived within a segment of the population where shit really does happen in your neighborhood, you don't just read about it on your computer screen, then we'll see how you feel regarding the men & women that protect us.</i><br /><br />Good grief, little boy -- do you kiss your local jackbooted thug's ass with that mouth?<br /><br />Who would the "men and women that [sic] protect us" be, exactly? Police are neither legally required to protect us, nor are they capable of doing so. They neither prevent nor deter violent crime, nor are they under an enforceable obligation to protect an individual citizen threatened by a non-state purveyor of criminal violence. <br /><br />Payette, while tiny, is not immune to the expanding threat of police militarization, which is a far greater threat than the local (non-government-licensed) criminal element. <br /><br />As to the question of "What [I] could possibly know about this subject".... While the research and documentation I provide speak for themselves, here's some additional relevant background:<br /><br />I've spent a lot of time in the worst parts of major cities, here and abroad. For example, I lived in one of the most crime-ridden areas of Mexico City in the early 1980s, and spent the better part of a year living in Guatemala City under martial law. <br /><br />In 1997 I attended (and received a certificate from) an international law enforcement counter-terrorism program put on at the University of Illinois-Chicago -- the only journalist to do so, incidentally. The contacts I made there proved useful in on-site investigative reports on crime and terrorism in Chicago, Philadelphia, New York City, Houston, and Los Angeles. <br /><br />In '97-98 I wrote and published a series of exposes about an effort by political allies of the Dominican Drug Cartel to frame and imprison a group of narcotics officers in Philly. This earned me at least two explicit death threats from people attached to the cartel. The officers were exonerated of <i>bogus</i> civil rights charges in about 2004. <br /><br />But all of this is of small moment where the question of where I get "the right" to express my views on these topics. To put the matter bluntly: I have an active mind and the means to give voice to my opinions. I need neither permission nor approval from badge-sniffers like you.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-69901334887551215392011-07-22T09:22:26.683-06:002011-07-22T09:22:26.683-06:00@ William Grigg, author:
What could you possibly ...@ William Grigg, author:<br /><br />What could you possibly know about this subject you write about? You live in a town of barely 7000 in the middle of nowhere.<br /><br />Just because you scour the internet seeking fodder for your ill-conceived notions does not give you the right to spit this nonsense.<br /><br />Very few innocent people are injured by police compared to the number of innocent people injured by lawless individuals.<br /><br />After you've lived within a segment of the population where shit really does happen in your neighborhood, you don't just read about it on your computer screen, then we'll see how you feel regarding the men & women that protect us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-65461662940228720992011-01-30T15:45:39.540-07:002011-01-30T15:45:39.540-07:00(continued)
"As the army presence expanded i...(continued)<br /><br /><i>"As the army presence expanded in Cairo Saturday, police largely disappeared from the streets - possibly because their presence seemed only to fuel protesters' anger. Egyptian police are hated for their brutality.</i><br /><br />As far as this statement is concerned, and where it relates to portents of similar events here in America, here is where things may take a different course. Egyptian police, at least at the rank-and-file level, are conscripts like the rank-and-file in the army. Living and working conditions are abominable, pay is almost non-existent, and the abuse and brutality that low-level officers suffer at the hands of their superiors (again, identical to life in the Egyptian Army) is in turn visited upon the hapless citizenry that happens to cross the police's path. Here in Amerika, on the other hand, the police consist of overpaid psychopath volunteers who not only WANT to serve in that capacity, but who wouldn't know what else to do with their lives absent the opportunity to wear a state-issued uniform and badge, carry a gun, and exercise unrestrained sadistic violence against the Mundanes. I seriously doubt that our own Fat Blue Line Gangs will disband in terror at the first signs of a citizen uprising. Sensing that their fates will be that of mutilated, burning corpses dangling at the end of ropes from the nearest telephone poles or lamp posts, they will not hesitate to turn on the citizenry that they mendaciously swear an oath to "protect and serve", using all the deadly force at their disposal. Remember too that <b><i>huge numbers of these creatures are veterans of the imperial legions who have seen combat first hand, suffer from PTSD, and see citizens at home as the same type of enemies they faced in Iraqpakghanistan.</i></b> Only once Amerika's economy has imploded and there is no money with any value left with which to pay the Fat Blue mercenaries and their cammy-clad military cohorts will there be even a remote possibility of wholesale desertion by "law enforcement."liberranterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-69755716456855778292011-01-30T15:40:28.358-07:002011-01-30T15:40:28.358-07:00Solid observation, Lemuel. Having spent a great d...Solid observation, Lemuel. Having spent a great deal of time in the Middle East, particularly Egypt, my only reaction to all of this is that it's long, LONG overdue, particularly in Egypt. That Mubarak remained in power for as long as he did is miraculous, as he has been universally DESPISED by the majority of the Egyptian people (and not merely the masses of poor and dispossessed) for most of his 30-year reign. Who or what will follow Mubarak remains to be seen. We could see something as destructively wretched as that which followed the Shah's overthrow in Iran, or we could see the first movements toward an inclusive representative democracy. (My own observation is that Egypt's socioeconomic problems are so deeply rooted and so intractable that the best that can be hoped for is an uneasy truce, based on internal decentralization of power, between the various factions within the country that have been at each other's throats. Lasting stability won't be on the table for a LONG time, if ever). <br /><br />(to be continued)liberranterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-34566914135527655272011-01-30T14:10:55.557-07:002011-01-30T14:10:55.557-07:00Billy, that was a bad picture, wow, total military...Billy, that was a bad picture, wow, total military combat assault team, and many people love it. I noticed the support they got in the comments section of that article as if having different letters differentiates one group of combat team from another so they can go around one set of rules, wonder what other rules this allows them to get around?<br /><br />Noticed this in the article:<br /><br />"Police alerted residents through a reverse 911 system but did not order an evacuation."<br /><br />I did not know what a reverse 911 system was, kind of creepy.<br />Also another demonstration that Americans do not own property, the government does, thus the word - order - as opposed to, ask.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-64838210982522133962011-01-29T23:28:00.085-07:002011-01-29T23:28:00.085-07:00Point well given, Lem. It CAN happen here.Point well given, Lem. It CAN happen here.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16565620274260288512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-12136011273635693412011-01-29T20:27:41.580-07:002011-01-29T20:27:41.580-07:00People, fellow Citizens, and lovers of Liberty!!
...People, fellow Citizens, and lovers of Liberty!!<br /><br />I do not know if anyone on this blog understands the significance of what is happening in Egypt:<br /><br />===================================<br />"As the army presence expanded in Cairo Saturday, police largely disappeared from the streets - possibly because their presence seemed only to fuel protesters' anger. Egyptian police are hated for their brutality.<br /><br />"On Friday, 17 police stations throughout Cairo were torched, with protesters stealing firearms and ammunition and freeing some jailed suspects. They also burned dozens of police trucks in Cairo, Alexandria and Suez. On Saturday, protesters besieged a police station in the Giza neighborhood of Cairo, looted and pulled down Egyptian flags, then burned the building to the ground.<br /><br />"There were no clashes reported between protesters and the military at all, and many in the crowds showered soldiers with affection.<br /><br />"In the capital on Friday night, hundreds of young men carted away televisions, fans and stereo equipment looted from the ruling National Democratic Party, near the Egyptian Museum.<br /><br />"Others around the city looted banks, smashed cars, tore down street signs and pelted armored riot police vehicles with paving stones torn from roadways."<br />===================================<br /><br />This thing started in Tunisia, spread to Algeria, then to Egypt, and is spreading to Yemen.<br /><br />Contrary to the emphasis given in the world's media on the POLITICAL disaffection with Mubarak, that is only a minor part of the cause of the fury that is being evidenced. The root cause is the pain of the poor, downtrooden masses with poverty, rising food prices and rampant unemployment, contrasted with corruption in politics and business, resulting in gross income inequality (Repeat: GROSS INCOME INEQUALITY AND CORRUPTION) in Egypt. The poor live in abject squalor, while the rich live in marble mansions and have been gaming the political system to their own benefit for decades. Sound familiar?<br /><br />WHY is this significant?<br /><br />Because for the very first time, the global plutocracy and oligarchy and their political lapdogs are seeing that the masses of humanity CAN be pushed too far and squeezed too hard. Eventually the simmering fury boils over, then begins to feed on itself, and the masses become violent and unmanageable. THERE IS NOTHING THE POLICE CAN DO. And the Army refuses to fire on fellow citizens.<br /><br />What is going on in Egypt is IMMENSELY important. It is the first rumbling of a global revolution against the greed, the plunder, and the rapine, of the global oligarchy. It will get worse. It will spread. Eventually it may even arrive at our doorstep.<br /><br />Trust me, the oligarchy is pissing in their pants right now.<br /><br />THAT is why the American Government has instantly abandoned their ally Mubarak, and attempted to take sides with the Egytpian people against him. They see the writing on the wall. Their bowels are giving them trouble right now. They are afraid it might happen here some day, maybe quite soon.<br /><br />People, what is happening in Egypt is the most significant social, political and economic event in the last 20 years.<br /><br /> - Lemuel Gulliver.Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-27393079392658459242011-01-28T23:33:06.157-07:002011-01-28T23:33:06.157-07:00Think that's a bad picture, check this picture...Think that's a bad picture, check this picture of soldiers, eh, police going after a cop killer.<br /><br />http://www.kval.com/news/local/114504244.htmlBillynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-58826604522811880532011-01-28T22:00:36.552-07:002011-01-28T22:00:36.552-07:00Anonymous:
Your story from the 1979 river crossing...Anonymous:<br />Your story from the 1979 river crossing is living proof of George Mason's dictum that:<br />An ARMED man is a CITIZEN. A DISARMED man is a SUBJECT. (emphasis mine)Mark Thomeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-13300240856829226682011-01-28T21:49:11.302-07:002011-01-28T21:49:11.302-07:00@anonymous
I agree with you. It was something o...@anonymous <br /><br />I agree with you. It was something of a rhetorical statement in the middle of the night after a very hard and long day of work. Thankful that I am for being able to work at all but sore from head to toe. Typing up even those few lines was just enough for me before crashing for the night. It is indeed a sad sad thing when I feel that in the end it boils down to violence since the cops seem all too eager to receive Caesars coin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23425937301179157302011-01-28T18:48:16.905-07:002011-01-28T18:48:16.905-07:00In 1979 3 of us had our jeeps out 4wheeling on the...In 1979 3 of us had our jeeps out 4wheeling on the white river in Wa.state we had crossed the river<br />& drove over to a little store for <br />cold drink we come out two cops in one car they started out being butt<br />heads threating to take us to jail & taking our jeeps away f/driving <br />across the river,I walked over too the cop car looked inside & said<br />"you know your all alone don't you"<br />Oh I forgot we all had sidearms strapped on, the older cop said"but<br />this is just a friendly warning,no<br />write up" <br /><br /><br />we are not going to cite you,just a friendly warningAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-74457793359541026682011-01-28T18:20:24.867-07:002011-01-28T18:20:24.867-07:00MoT: "...if a cop feels he has to dress and a...MoT: "...if a cop feels he has to dress and act like he is on some sort of militarized foot patrol then he is a mercenary for the State and has no moral authority over me or anyone else." And what moral authority do you grant a cop who doesn't feel that way? No employee of any organization that depends for its existence on extorting funds from those who are denied the opportunity to opt out of the arrangement has, or ever will have, any moral authority over me, and any deference shown will be limited to the practical minimum that I can begrudge the thug and survive the encounter. At some future juncture I may decide that the meager practical advantages of capitulation no longer outweigh moral rectitude and fully realized, if fleeting, freedom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-78481129024704970012011-01-28T15:43:20.832-07:002011-01-28T15:43:20.832-07:00A war on cops?
That's a hot one.
If there was ...A war on cops?<br />That's a hot one.<br />If there was there wouldn't be enough hours in the day to say their former names.<br /><br />Every year on the opening day of deer season in Pa., I take pleasure in telling any and all cops I see, in an offhand nonthreatening but sincere manner, "today there are approx. 800,000 men and women out and about armed with high powered rifles. And there aren't many .223 pea shooters either."<br /><br />This year I told two of them, one young cop and one older cop. The older cop just smiled but the young-un got a strange look on his face like I was telling a bad joke or something.<br />I didn't even mention bear season..<br /><br />Nuff said..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-911683149225606652011-01-28T15:40:23.277-07:002011-01-28T15:40:23.277-07:00When policemen are let go from work they will simp...When policemen are let go from work they will simply become unsanctioned criminals. Which then, hopefully, will make them easier to get rid of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-53420452522162050082011-01-28T12:10:56.372-07:002011-01-28T12:10:56.372-07:00P.M.Lawrence,
Aw, shucks, you busted my balloon. ...P.M.Lawrence,<br /><br />Aw, shucks, you busted my balloon. It was such a nice theory. Now I'm a wiser, but a sadder, man. I suppose I should thank you for the information, so OK, thank you. I still think we should tow all they-of-the-perfumed-excreta out to sea on paper rafts and let their patron, Lucifer, bring them enlightenment, wisdom, and life jackets. (And shark repellent, if necessary.)<br /><br />As for the peasants doffing their caps in order that they could be recognized from the lofty environs of the royal carriage, it could just as well have been so that their heads were no longer cushioned from capricious blows of the royal cane. (Swipe! Thud! Out of my path, peasant! Maintain a respectful distance, you oaf!) I like that image better. Seems to fit the attitudes of the perfumed-excreta classes more closely.<br /><br />- Lemuel.Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-72683097085181211312011-01-28T11:02:24.462-07:002011-01-28T11:02:24.462-07:00Great article Will!
Just a couple of observations...Great article Will!<br /><br />Just a couple of observations (not criticisms):<br /><br />1. RE: "authority": You mentioned "a growing public "disrespect" for the "authority" of police." Let's be clear about the lines of authority: All authority belongs to God, and He delegates some of that authority (not all) to men via Jesus (Matt. 28:18). In turn, "We The People" delegate some of our authority (not all) to civil governments. In turn, civil governments delegate some of the People's delegated authority to police/law enforcement entities. If anything, it is the growing disrespect of The People's authority by government workers that is the REAL problem. Public servants need to constantly be reminded of their inferior position to that of the citizen. "Me public - you servant."<br /><br />2. You wrote: "Anybody who takes the life of any human being through aggressive violence is a murderer and should be treated as such." I disagree. It should be: "Anybody who unjustly takes the life of any human being through aggressive violence is a murderer and should be treated as such, even if such action is considered "lawful","necessary", or "justified" by the government. <br /><br />Minor points! Thanks for all your hard work. You are a blessing!<br /><br />Everyone reading: please don't forget to donate to Will via PayPal so he can support his family.57chevypreteristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06306354622411733142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-10294912417415802782011-01-28T07:18:03.745-07:002011-01-28T07:18:03.745-07:00It takes little effort (a quick search on Google, ...It takes little effort (a quick search on Google, for example) to find out how these allegations of a "war on cops" are so much nonsense. In Los Angeles, 21 police officers died in the line of duty in the "peaceful" 1950s, vs. only eight in the "turbulent" 2000s. (Keep in mind that Los Angeles' population increased substantially in the last 50 years.) Statistics for New York and Chicago are similar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-65904541438014450002011-01-28T01:05:32.741-07:002011-01-28T01:05:32.741-07:00Lemuel Gulliver wrote "Does anyone know the o...Lemuel Gulliver wrote "Does anyone know the origins of the salute? It is a symbolic removal of ones hat, so one can bow servilely, (i.e., in proper serf fashion, cap in hand,) before the local Baron or Count or Archduke, whose property one happens to be."<br /><br />That isn't quite right. It's actually the symbolic remnant of a soldier raising the visor of his helmet, both to reduce his protection and show trust and to make it possible to recognise him.<br /><br />There was indeed a tradition of peasants doffing their hats or caps, which for a long time survived symbolically in the form of rubbing the knuckle of a fist against the brow. However, actual salutes - by soldiers who kept their hats on - came along before actual cap doffing by peasants stopped (so that wasn't the origin), and caps were never doffed to allow bowing but likewise to allow the peasant to be identified - something that was difficult for someone on horseback or in a carriage to do to a peasant physically lower down who still had his head covered, as the peak got in the way.P.M.Lawrencehttp://users.beagle.com.au/peterlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-13871341513588254092011-01-28T00:53:39.570-07:002011-01-28T00:53:39.570-07:00Anonymous @ 7:31 PM,
In 1987, at the height of th...Anonymous @ 7:31 PM,<br /><br />In 1987, at the height of the Apartheid State in South Africa, that country had 636 blacks in jail for every 100,000 black South Africans. The United States at the same time had over 3,600 blacks in jail for every 100,000 black Americans. But WE self-righteously accused the white Boers of persecuting their black citizens.<br /><br />Today, the USA has a higher incarceration rate than any country in the world, including China: some 3.5 million people. To match our rate, China would need to incarcerate some 15 million of its citizens. But our government accuses their Chinese counterparts of being harsh on their people. Go figure.<br /><br />A word of wisdom to the Congressional turd-munchers on Capitol Hill: Remember, asswipes, when you point one finger at them, there are three fingers pointing back at you.<br /><br />We have far too many prisons, far too many prison guards, far too many cops, and far too many lawyers in this sad country. Perhaps we could put them all on barges, tow them 100 miles out to sea, and cut them loose. Let Satan look after his own.<br /><br /> - Lemuel Gulliver.<br /><br />PS: Perhaps an especially large barge could be built out of cardboard, to accomodate the 535 members of Congress. It would be interesting to see if the sharks would eat them, or welcome them as kinfolk.Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-48809602068718117272011-01-27T22:11:07.432-07:002011-01-27T22:11:07.432-07:00My grandfather was Chief of Police in a small town...My grandfather was Chief of Police in a small town in a Mayberry era. People then saw him as someone there to help and protect them.<br /><br />Today police are tasked with enforcing arbitrary codes of conduct on rational adults and it results in a self-selection of power-mad tyrants. I know I could not personally bear to confiscate someone's property in the form of a fine because they chose not to wear a safety belt, but this is what cops do all day.<br /><br />Bastiat said a society could not survive if its laws were not respected and to make laws respected they must be respectable, meanign no rational person would disagree with them. No rational person disagrees with a prohibition on murder but plenty might disagree with prohibition on cocaine.<br /><br />The thousands of senseless laws cops are tasked with enforcing are driving a wedge between "Peace Officers" and the people they are supposed to protect and this is all to the benefit of the Leviathan State.Jessica Hugheshttp://www.thefoundersalliance.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1710283017406614432011-01-27T22:04:28.649-07:002011-01-27T22:04:28.649-07:00Once again, Mr. Grigg, you have proven yourself to...Once again, Mr. Grigg, you have proven yourself to be a superbly talented writer (I am jealous!) But there is one quibble I would like to make and I hope I don't come across as a jerk. Please keep in mind my utter and complete contempt for the military mindset. (To me the movie Bridge Over The River Kwai is only one notch above a kiddie porn snuff film.)I refer to your use of the phrase "civilian disarmament"; specifically the word civilian. Maybe I'm making too much of it but I think the better word is citizen instead of civilian. My argument is that the word citizen has more power over people, both in and out of the military. And, as you have pointed out, the modern cop is indeed more military than peace officer. To the military mind a civilian is someone who does not have the power to inflict harm to those who can kill with impunity. But a citizen has rights. And those rights do indeed have power over those in government approved costumes (either green or blue). Again, I apologize if I come across as a nitpicking nitwit.whitebuffalonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-39345200244093431382011-01-27T21:12:12.758-07:002011-01-27T21:12:12.758-07:00I look at it this way... That if a cop feels he ha...I look at it this way... That if a cop feels he has to dress and act like he is on some sort of militarized foot patrol then he is a mercenary for the State and has no moral authority over me or anyone else. He is a hired gun with a mandate to inflict violence upon the citizenry. That man, or woman, is a parasite of the first order and deserves no respect at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-37354269534904796792011-01-27T19:31:48.666-07:002011-01-27T19:31:48.666-07:00Prisons are full of nonviolent offenders which pro...Prisons are full of nonviolent offenders which provides the excuse for private prisons, increased funding and technology for LEOs to fill more prisons. The law enforcement talking heads worry about the "type of criminal out there looking to thwart authority” when they should be worried about all the up until now law-abiding citizens they have pissed off!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com