tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post5314807474788660417..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: An Ambiguous Victory (Updated)William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-43103392141251713182008-05-25T16:02:00.000-06:002008-05-25T16:02:00.000-06:00There was an important article in the Houston Chro...There was an important article in the Houston Chronicle from the viewpoint of the lawyers defending the FDLS parents. Rather amazing.<BR/><BR/>" Summary...<BR/><BR/>Lawyers cry foul in FLDS seizures<BR/>http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5800274.html<BR/><BR/>Many lawyers for children and parents in a Texas polygamist sect are boiling mad about the growing number of legal errors they claim the state has made in seizing and holding more than 460 children. "They have created chaos. They don't know what to do. This case has holes in it the size of the Grand Canyon," said Laura Shockley, a Dallas family law specialist with six clients in the case. "There is no way to fix this." She and other lawyers say some of the seized people, especially those who it turns out are 18 or older, have potent federal civil rights lawsuits against the state -Mary Flood/Houston Chronicle "<BR/><BR/>__________<BR/><BR/>Here is another story that amuses me no end. "Officials from the Texas Department of Family Protective Services say the agency is struggling to reduce a growing backlog in reimbursement requests for out-of-pocket expenses from caseworkers in the field "<BR/><BR/>http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/662601.html<BR/><BR/><BR/>The child abductors can't get their out-of-pocket expenses reimbursed by their NAZI agency. I hope every one of those unAmerican case workers get ripped off to the max in out of pocket expenses. In addition to those expenses, each of them will have lifelong destroyed consciences and souls. Their only chance of returned to the living is for each of them to quit their crooked jobs immediately and tell all to the nearest mainstream media reporters.<BR/><BR/>I know this is a horrible price to pay for the "ticket" to prevent Rick Perry from honestly ever winning another governor's race in Texas, but, by God, I am going to use it to the max.<BR/><BR/>This evil is his doing, his and his evil puppetmasters.<BR/><BR/>poster is Ms. Jeannon Kralj<BR/>Austin, TX<BR/>(Google won't let me sign in with a name for some odd reason, so I always have to post as "anonymous" here)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-51949991763088858652008-05-25T10:32:00.000-06:002008-05-25T10:32:00.000-06:00worthnoting -- thanks for your very kind comments....worthnoting -- thanks for your very kind comments. It's very gratifying to know that what I'm writing has been useful!<BR/><BR/>At some point I'm going to have to include a contact e-mail in the blog. I can be reached at: WNGrigg [at] msn [dot] com.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-61005243571110542932008-05-25T10:17:00.000-06:002008-05-25T10:17:00.000-06:00First off, this wonderful site (or is it considere...First off, this wonderful site (or is it considered "a blog"?) has been so valuable to me - it has lifted my spirits again and again.. . <BR/>Your eloquence and firm stand concerning freedom is MUCH needed. <BR/>I apologize for putting this in comments. I'm new at this.<BR/>I have several things I would like to email you that I truly feel you'd be interested in.<BR/>However, they are NOT pertaining to the FLDS matter.<BR/>"Just" other looming losses of Constitutional Rights that are both current and critical.<BR/>Is there a regular email address that I can send these to?<BR/>How is this done?<BR/>Thanks for all your hard work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23220719643116929242008-05-24T08:44:00.000-06:002008-05-24T08:44:00.000-06:00Does posting a comment on your blog get me on "the...Does posting a comment on your blog get me on "the list"? Man, I sure hope so!<BR/><BR/>Will, keep up the great work - you postings are a treasure I look forward to!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-68416490784603725102008-05-24T07:43:00.000-06:002008-05-24T07:43:00.000-06:00Echoing the mass custody hearings for the FLDS chi...Echoing the mass custody hearings for the FLDS children, a mass sentencing was conducted for the 270 immigrants seized at an Iowa meat packing plant. The NY Times describes its wonderful efficiency:<BR/><BR/>"The illegal immigrants, most from Guatemala, filed into the courtrooms in groups of 10, their hands and feet shackled. One by one, they entered guilty pleas through a Spanish interpreter, admitting they had taken jobs using fraudulent Social Security cards or immigration documents. Moments later, they moved to another courtroom for sentencing."<BR/><BR/>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/us/24immig.html?hp<BR/><BR/>So instead of just sending these folks home to their wives and kids in Guatemala, the Fedgov is going to incarcerate them for five months at a cost that I estimate to be $7 million, maybe as much as $10 million. That's the only way this country can create jobs anymore -- hire one group of humans to feed and guard other humans in cages.<BR/><BR/>Somewhere the ghost of Joe Stalin is smiling. Obviously if the prison-industrial complex wants to grow from 2.2 million inmates to (say) 5 million, we're going to need mass trials to move the human meat through the system. (Note that gigantic federal "justice" palaces have been popping up like mushrooms across the land for the past couple of decades, as the fedgov grabs market share from the states in the human caging biz.)<BR/><BR/>Sheeple will be inclined to reason, "I'm not a cultist or an immigrant, so it don't confront me." Oh, the ovinity! After all the cultists and immigrants have been "processed," what's left but the good old defenseless middle class?<BR/><BR/>Sentence first, trial later! Move 'em out! Secure the Homeland!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-19461960334349732922008-05-24T02:29:00.000-06:002008-05-24T02:29:00.000-06:00Here's a point to ponder. The CPS folks were so bu...Here's a point to ponder. The CPS folks were so busy rounding up every kid in sight in the raid of the YFZ ranch that they had no idea whose kids they were kidnapping. Now the CPS is complaining that, if they have to return the kids to their parents, they won't know how to do that because they don't know who the parents are! Just another illustration of the collectivist mentality of round-'em-up first and sort-'em-out later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-50739075009073908082008-05-24T01:37:00.000-06:002008-05-24T01:37:00.000-06:00Whig... Isn't amazing how many agencies pack heat...Whig... Isn't amazing how many agencies pack heat! They're scared that someone will finally snap after being pushed too far.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-52129340930307689122008-05-24T01:24:00.000-06:002008-05-24T01:24:00.000-06:00"apparently a woman driving by saw them and stoppe..."apparently a woman driving by saw them and stopped and told them they should not be outside and called the police."<BR/><BR/>Of course! Who needs enemies when socialist busy-bodies shuttling their glutamous maximus' around are ratting you out!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-56972187964833136132008-05-23T20:20:00.000-06:002008-05-23T20:20:00.000-06:00Investigating the TX Supreme Court, I find this on...Investigating the TX Supreme Court, I find this on the side bar.<BR/><BR/>It is a "Commission"--guess what for:<BR/><BR/>'Permanent Judicial Commission For Children, Youth & Families'<BR/><BR/>These folks are not the 9 justices---rather, read their connections--CPS, Commissioners, DHHS, Rick Perry's cronies. <BR/><BR/>Go read its mission--then see the connections on the "commission."<BR/><BR/>The Supreme Court deck is already stacked against the FLDS.<BR/><BR/>http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/cip/about.aspGerlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03660765844278242963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-39177140998731849272008-05-23T19:24:00.000-06:002008-05-23T19:24:00.000-06:00"reeking discharge from your collective emunctory ..."reeking discharge from your collective emunctory aperture"... <BR/><BR/>man, the next time i get into a heated debate, i'm borrowing that one! that was pejoritively french while garbed in an english cloak.<BR/><BR/>rickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1505018224559854322008-05-23T18:55:00.000-06:002008-05-23T18:55:00.000-06:00"What have you done today to earn a place on The L..."What have you done today to earn a place on The List?"<BR/><BR/>Not enough! Well actually I don't know how much is enough.<BR/><BR/>Yesterday my wife and I stood with a pastor out in front of a Planned Parenthood killing center. Does that count?<BR/><BR/>Tomorrow I host a sign painting party to paint signs to show in front of planned parenthood.<BR/>I am considering what to put on the signs. Here are some ideas we have so far.<BR/><BR/>We have a friend with Downs Syndrome who might hold a sign that says "They murder people like me here".<BR/><BR/>"Baby Murders in Progress"<BR/><BR/>"Planned Parenthood Killing Center"<BR/><BR/>"Planned Parenthood Death Camp"<BR/><BR/>"Planned Parenthood = Murder"<BR/><BR/>"Innocent Babies Murdered Here"<BR/><BR/>"America's Holocaust : Planned Parenthood"<BR/><BR/>Planned Parenthood : Planned Murder<BR/><BR/>"Unjust War is Murder"<BR/><BR/>"America's Blood Guilt"<BR/><BR/>"Baby's Murdered here on Thursdays"<BR/><BR/>"George Bush Funds Planned Parenthood"<BR/><BR/>"Racially Motivated Murders Happen Here"<BR/><BR/>"Planned Parenthood is a Hate Group"<BR/><BR/>Maybe this will be enough to get on a list.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-20902545310159802022008-05-23T15:41:00.000-06:002008-05-23T15:41:00.000-06:00I was glad to see victory in this case.WNG, I am g...I was glad to see victory in this case.<BR/><BR/>WNG, I am glad you toned down your criticism of the FLDS themselves. For the most part, 99% of the families and their children seem happy and healthy. God knows they would be neither if they all stayed the abusive farm system known as foster 'care'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-40827373900399156202008-05-23T15:16:00.000-06:002008-05-23T15:16:00.000-06:00Wow! I never actually saw the gun. So much for "ci...Wow! I never actually saw the gun. So much for "civil investigation" and "we are not law enforcement". I doubt she carried the "heat" because she was exercising her Second Admendment rights. Oops! If the FLDSers would have exercised that right it would have been a blimish...I guess it is only okay for "non-law enforcement civil investigations" to carry. I have never seen CPS carry a gun until today. I knew here in Texas they use police more and more (even SWAT teams now). Texas Homeschool Colaition Association reported this week that Texas CPS once again went crazy and ignored the fourth admendment. Some children went to the front yard to call after a dog that got loose and apparently a woman driving by saw them and stopped and told them they should not be outside and called the police. Texas CPS and police forced their way in (without a warrant) and took the children saying they were in "immediate physical danger". Now they are using this phrase to justify anything now. CPS needs to have better defined outlines of removal (I thought it was specific enough but I guess not enough for CPS) and punishment like the rest of government or citizens when they violate the law. All in the name of "child abuse".... (there is a vast difference between a father/mother beating their child or starving them to death and children chasing a dog). I also read that family whose children were on vacation in Colorado whose children were seized for being "skinny" and "vegetarians" never got their children back. This is plain wrong and I know people hate the comparision to Nazism, but I can't think of a better comparision than the SS to their own citizens. It is sad that BASIC constitutional rights are having to be reinforced in upper courts while the victims suffer. Read a post where a baby did not recognize his monogomous nonabusive FLDS father--you can never pay enough to make up for such punishment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-82342707149472423752008-05-23T15:01:00.000-06:002008-05-23T15:01:00.000-06:00I will keep praying for all of the children's rele...I will keep praying for all of the children's release to their parents and their own home.<BR/><BR/>Rick Perry is the lead man in this filthy fascism. I will do every thing in my power to attribute this atrocious activity to him and his Bush and Bilderbergers buddies.<BR/><BR/>This was so wrong and so bad. Whatever real justifications Texas Department of Family and Protective Services ("CPS") and their "case workers" ever had for taking children from their homes is blown to kingdom come now. Their whole existence is illigitimate and crooked just like "governor" Rick Perry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-546011889057141642008-05-23T14:59:00.000-06:002008-05-23T14:59:00.000-06:00The blowdried hairdo who "governs" Texas issued th...The blowdried hairdo who "governs" Texas issued the following statement:<BR/><BR/>"This is an ongoing legal matter, and our office is confident that state’s lawyers will review the appropriate next steps in this case to ensure the safety and welfare of the children involved."<BR/><BR/>http://www.governor.state.tx.us/divisions/press/pressreleases/PressRelease.2008-05-22.0122<BR/><BR/>Translation: "I'm too chickensh*t to intervene in this catastrophic trainwreck, so I'm just gonna lie low and pretend it has nothing to do with me."<BR/><BR/>What a lisping, simpering eunuch. If Hillary would donate a testicle to "Governor" Perry, they'd both have one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-66340882226911149272008-05-23T14:20:00.000-06:002008-05-23T14:20:00.000-06:00The law doesn't matter because the rule of law is ...The law doesn't matter because the rule of law is dead. It died when that double digit IQ chimpface third rate Forrest Gump imitation Shrubya took office. F*@k them and their law. I don't respect their authoritay never have never will. The sooner people realize we are on our own and the gov leviathan is something to be avoided at all costs the better off we will be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-10161949221112984022008-05-23T14:12:00.000-06:002008-05-23T14:12:00.000-06:00I hope that every sleazy greasy ambulance chasing ...I hope that every sleazy greasy ambulance chasing attorney for every corner of this formally great country is on his or her horse as we speak!! I hope they break Texas!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-27740155272380739262008-05-23T13:43:00.000-06:002008-05-23T13:43:00.000-06:00I must compliment Mr. Jessup for having the courag...I must compliment Mr. Jessup for having the courage to turn away to female kidnapper......... the harpy was openly carrying heat. No doubt the piece on her hip was intended to intimidate.<BR/><BR/>A Radical Whig (they know where I live!!!!!!!!!!)A Radical Whig in Chattanoogahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16209842924038331622noreply@blogger.com