tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post5209845186126354722..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: The Immigration Bubble Collapses, The Garrison State Thrives (Updated, October 4)William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-13793219961522979752009-05-20T12:44:48.835-06:002009-05-20T12:44:48.835-06:00Strange how the media clowns can juggle the blatan...Strange how the media clowns can juggle the blatant lies with the truth and use the most absurd denials imaginable. It is a verifiable fact that the jews control the media. The list is printable and established. Meanwhile can anyone name just one Nazi who controls a major news broadcasting program, newspaper, mainstream magazine, add company, or film making company? Clearly, people get castigated by the jew media for being Nazis. Not the other way around.<br /><br />Likewise, we have openly racist organizations like MeCHA and La Raza taunting Reconquista and the concept of Aztlan openly called for by elected Latino officials which is documented and founded in fact. Yet this is just conspiracy hype I suppose to the very same ones promoting it when they are called to the floor over it. But can we name just one Nazi organization receiving tens of millions of dollars funneled to it through government affiliated charities, non-profits, and academic sponsors?<br /><br />Furthermore, we can walk down the alley of any major metropolitan city in the USA these days and see the utter devastation of non-white gangs, non-white graffiti, non-white littering, and a massive non-white crime wave which rivals the effects of nuclear weapons going off in our neighborhoods. Yet can we reasonably fear hordes of Nazis gang raping our lily-White daughters? Can we expect National Socialists to do drive-by shootings in our parks and schools over the color of some rival's bandanna? Do we need to bar up the windows of our homes and shops for fear of the Gestapo breaking in and stealing our valuables?<br /><br />Indeed, the real conspiracy wackos and lunatics frequent the leftist fringe far more than any legitimacy of hate held against an American Nazi. The difference is that the jew, through its massive media propaganda apparatus, gives voice to the leftist and anti-American minority while vilifying the Nazis to an almost suffocating level to the mainstream working middle class segment of our society. However, when one realistically reviews the values of an American Nazi with that of most average Americans, coupled with a measure of integrity, one can not help but notice the innate parallel in core values.<br /><br />American Nazis are in support of clean neighborhoods, wholesome entertainment, just law enforcement, fair political policies, and a return to the European rule of law values which made this once great nation the greatest nation on earth. The only difference between an American Nazi and a milk and toast conservative is: that we not only recognize who the real enemy of this nation truly is. We hit it squarely on its kosher nose!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75776913544415740832008-10-28T02:05:00.000-06:002008-10-28T02:05:00.000-06:00The Department of Homeland Security decided to inv...The Department of Homeland Security decided to invade occupy our city here in Waterloo, Iowa. I decided to put on my Ron Paul r3VOLution shirt and go take pictures.<BR/><BR/>Here are those pictures:<BR/><BR/>http://brokencrystal.com/?p=77<BR/><BR/>Enjoy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-66743059933983836732008-10-08T00:12:00.000-06:002008-10-08T00:12:00.000-06:00Does this mean Western Union will need a bailout? ...Does this mean Western Union will need a bailout? They were almost out of business before those "brownbellies" started sending money back to the mother country. I see you are pro freedom by letting these assbags post their republican puke comments. Message to ALL republicans: eat shit, die, FUCK OFF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-57780029680809487072008-10-07T20:52:00.000-06:002008-10-07T20:52:00.000-06:00I'm just waiting for JBS to some how claim credit ...I'm just waiting for JBS to some how claim credit for the slow down in immigration. <BR/><BR/>HEEEEE HEEEE HEEEE. <BR/><BR/>They are so good at pointing to some minor mention in an obscure sentence in some so called "reputable" publication as proof positive!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-65824193204192468012008-10-07T15:21:00.000-06:002008-10-07T15:21:00.000-06:00Seeing this latest example ofCongressional legerde...Seeing this latest example of<BR/>Congressional legerdemain<BR/>(the Senate passing a bill with<BR/>originating tax law which is <BR/>illegal as pointed out by Ron Paul<BR/>in his latest post at lewrockwell.com)<BR/>what is the purpose of our Supreme<BR/>Court, anyway? Simply to harrass<BR/>the people? <BR/><BR/>Everyone is raging about our<BR/>Congress and Executive (rightly so)<BR/>but why is nobody spitting on the<BR/>Supreme Court (as we should be?)<BR/><BR/>All 9 of them should be impeached<BR/>and imprisoned (or hanged, whichever<BR/>you prefer depending on your stance<BR/>on the death penalty.)<BR/><BR/>They are all traitors, every one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-9475035212930680202008-10-07T02:13:00.000-06:002008-10-07T02:13:00.000-06:00Our Republic: So far, it's been sort of a bloodles...Our Republic: So far, it's been sort of a bloodless coup, hasn't it? In fact, the masses don't even realize there's been a coup. The Propaganda Machine has been telling us America is a Democracy for so long now and most everybody believes it so now that we are thoroughly transformed into a Socialist set-up nobody will be the wiser.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-82719232133688022942008-10-06T23:28:00.000-06:002008-10-06T23:28:00.000-06:00William,Does it bother you that the biggest suppor...William,<BR/><BR/>Does it bother you that the biggest supporters of large-scale immigration are also the fans of the globalized New World Order?<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that it will be much harder to promote libertarian or paleo-conservative values in the dystopian megacities of the future that immigration will lead to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-13703140264744524022008-10-06T22:35:00.000-06:002008-10-06T22:35:00.000-06:00> ...replaced by an in-exhaustable> supply o...> ...replaced by an in-exhaustable<BR/>> supply of non-political peasants who<BR/>> can't vote in any case and who know<BR/>> how to grovel before their<BR/>> ruling-elite "betters".<BR/><BR/>Aren't Americans world champions in groveling before their ruling-elite "betters"?<BR/><BR/>What else would explain the meek acceptance of the biggest armed robbery in history aka The Bailout of 2008?<BR/><BR/>At least these Mexicans are shooting back at the thugs harrassing them. Maybe we need more of them to help us to get rid of the real criminals in charge of this country.<BR/><BR/>Besides, "non-political" is a compliment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-53129203935750554742008-10-06T21:20:00.000-06:002008-10-06T21:20:00.000-06:00Will,Question: What can we possibly say to ease th...Will,<BR/><BR/>Question: What can we possibly say to ease the burden of the poor, sad investment banker who just lost his job?<BR/><BR/>Answer: "I’ll have a burger with fries on rye bread and a side salad. Ranch dressing will do."<BR/><BR/>Lemuel GulliverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-87366109497127156162008-10-06T20:45:00.000-06:002008-10-06T20:45:00.000-06:00I also wanted to address your point as to characte...I also wanted to address your point as to character of some illegal aliens being better than that of many US Citizens. <BR/><BR/>There are many cases where I have also observed that, but the question is WHO DECIDES whether or not someone can has the requisite amount of virtue? It must be the legitimate government of the admitting nation. To say that each alien gets to unilaterally decide that they have what it takes to sustain self-government is the surest way to be flooded with scoundrels.<BR/><BR/>I would say MOST illegal aliens from Mexico are otherwise law abiding citizens in most circumstances. A minority are through criminals. The point is, it is not their call to decide if they are law-abiding enough. Its our call.<BR/><BR/>It is our call because we have the right to self-defense- in this case defending a form of government in which (in the recent past) we expect officials to serve without corruption and assume that government exits to protect the rights of the people. <BR/><BR/>To say that noble government has faded only adds urgency to the diligent safeguarding of our border- for we cannot lost liberty back by letting in 50 million more people who shrug off corrupt socialism as the human norm.<BR/><BR/>I would close by reminding you that even though most illegal aliens may be otherwise law-abiding in most circumstances, so would the vast majority of our countrymen. If "good" illegals were 65% of the whole, and 5% of our countrymen were criminals then illegals would disproportionately contribute to the criminal class by a factor of seven (100-65/5).<BR/><BR/>Very few non-government types are criminals, therefore MOST illegals can be otherwise good folks while at the same time a disproportionate number of illegals are anti-social criminals.<BR/><BR/>A large "good" illegal worker class will also impede good government simply because blue-collar citizens who complain to loudly about government encroachment of freedom can be all the more painlessly replaced by an in-exhaustable supply of non-political peasants who can't vote in any case and who know how to grovel before their ruling-elite "betters".Mark Moore (Moderator)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17386056132530808723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-6614502335472054142008-10-06T17:51:00.000-06:002008-10-06T17:51:00.000-06:00Will, come back!I understand that you don't trust ...Will, come back!<BR/><BR/>I understand that you don't trust our current corporate state to run a just immigration policy. I don't either, and I am suspect of every "solution" they put forward, especially amnesty by any other name. But this is not the issue. The issue I have is that (if I understand your position) you believe that the state has no fundamental right to control who goes in and out of its borders. Any alien should be free to walk in and out until it is shown they have committed some other crime.<BR/><BR/>Even if the Republic is lost, and I hope it is not irredeemably gone, we can and should discuss what the legitimate role of government is. That is what I am doing here. I am discussing what form of state we should build on the ruins of what we have, not defending anything the current cabal is up to. <BR/><BR/>We once had a government by, of, and for the people for many years, and during much of that time we DID vet our immigrants and the system served us well. Doesn't the fact that it WAS done checkmate the argument that it CAN'T be done?Mark Moore (Moderator)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17386056132530808723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75160691798683185182008-10-06T17:10:00.000-06:002008-10-06T17:10:00.000-06:00Mark, I'm not unsympathetic to your position, whic...Mark, I'm not unsympathetic to your position, which (in all candor) I used to embrace without qualification. <BR/><BR/>Here is what I consider to be its fatal flaw:<BR/><BR/>You point out that immigrants must be carefully vetted by the State in order to "insure that only those with the virtue to conduct themselves in a manner conducive to sustaining liberty be permitted entrance into our nation."<BR/><BR/>Why would <I>any</I> ruling elite seek to cultivate such a population, either native or foreign-born? And why should we believe that the state ruling us now could possibly accomplish this?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Of non-voting illegal immigrants you observe that "there is little reason to believe they would inculcate their children with the attitudes, habits, values, and morals required to sustain self government, especially not in a time when most of our own population is not doing this to the degree necessary to fend off statism."<BR/><BR/><BR/>My experience with non-voting illegal aliens and their children suggests that many of them are <I>better</I> at teaching cardinal virtues to their children -- thrift, sobriety, industry, independence, a proper hostility toward government, and even chastity -- than much of our native-born population. It's of some interest to me that several studies show that Mexican youth are corrupted by our culture, rather than contributing to its corruption (I'm making reference here to matters of sexual morality and discipline, primarily). <BR/><BR/>I'll have some other observations later. One parting thought: Your prescription assumes that we still have a republic to protect. I don't see any evidence to sustain that assumption, alas. <BR/><BR/><BR/>As our ruling elite, with the aid of good, pious Christian "conservatives" like Gary Bauer and John Boehner, completes our transformation into a plutocratic socialist mega-state, it's clear that the immigration problem has played a very modest role in our demise.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-22308597640253693782008-10-06T16:48:00.000-06:002008-10-06T16:48:00.000-06:00OK, now we are getting somewhere.We have different...OK, now we are getting somewhere.<BR/><BR/>We have different premises on this issue. I absolutely believe that a Republic has both a right and a duty to control who is let into the country and to deport those who have not entered legally.<BR/><BR/>The basis for my premise is simple: self-government does not work for all peoples at all times, it requires a minimum amount of virtue in the population.<BR/><BR/>You may argue that those illegals will not be voters without breaking another law. I would reply that 1) their children would be, and there is little reason to believe they would inculcate their children with the attitudes, habits, values, and morals required to sustain self government, especially not in a time when most of our own population is not doing this to the degree necessary to fend off statism.<BR/><BR/>2) They don't HAVE to vote to turn my city into a third-world crime-ridden slum that makes weaker citizens so desperate for order that they vote away freedom for security. I have observed this happening, and it is in a way what your article is really about....though you may not have presented that aspect of it.<BR/><BR/>30,000 young foreigners moving into your country illegally represent a group of people far more likely to break other laws too. The locals will demand order be restored, as they have from coast to coast.<BR/><BR/>In other words, open borders may well be used by the neocons to flood our streets with criminals until the people cry out for statist intervention to save them!<BR/><BR/><B>Freedom is not for every people, the Founders all acknowledged this. It is for virtuous people only, and attempting to share the blessings of liberty with hordes of people who are not equipped to sustain it will not give them liberty too, it will only cost us ours.</B><BR/><BR/>The state must insure that only those with the virtue to conduct themselves in a manner conducive to sustaining liberty be permitted entrance into our nation.Mark Moore (Moderator)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17386056132530808723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-38186718219448034072008-10-06T15:44:00.000-06:002008-10-06T15:44:00.000-06:00PS: You opened with: "Any guess as to the use to w...PS: You opened with: "Any guess as to the use to which the Homeland Security State will put its immigration control assets once the immigrant flood dries up?"<BR/><BR/>Yes. <BR/><BR/>Anyone trying to leave the country will be asked: "Did you pay all your taxes? Do you have any unpaid debts? Do you have any balances on your credit cards?" <BR/><BR/>If the answer to any of those is Yes, (and don't bother trying to lie, every detail of your life is in a dozen databases,) then you will be detained at a DHS facility as a credit default risk.<BR/><BR/>Forget lawyers and habeas corpus. Forget appeals and legal process. Forget even formal charges. You are a traitor to the debtor state, and not entitled to even know the charges on which you are being detained. You will, however, be entitled to work, for 15 cents an hour, to help pay off your debts and the interest on them. Once they are paid, you can leave.<BR/><BR/>(See? The overlords are not inhumane, after all.)<BR/><BR/>One more survival suggestion for your readers: Google Maps has extraordinarily detailed maps of the Canadian border. If you click on "Satellite" you will be able to zoom in and see every house, every track and trail and even the cows grazing in the fields. In several places, there are roads on either side of the border, not connecting, but separated by only 100 yards of woods. In Montana where you are, Will, there are mountain roads which cross over, but without a detailed map you would get hopelessly lost. Do this now while it is still available - select at least 3 options for crossing the border, so that if you do need to leave you can do so unofficially. Then print out those maps and overhead views and keep them in a file folder for future need.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>Lemuel Gulliver.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-22058506818450310162008-10-06T15:12:00.000-06:002008-10-06T15:12:00.000-06:00Dear Will,Did you get the email I sent you last we...Dear Will,<BR/><BR/>Did you get the email I sent you last week with a couple of articles from the Financial Times, regarding the $54 trillion market in CDS derivatives, with the message: "What's coming? Who knows?"<BR/> <BR/>Monday October 6th 2008 - the first of the several auctions of CDS swaps this month. The Dow Jones is down 780 points, the most ever in history, even more than Monday 15th September 2008. ("Bailout? What bailout? $700 billion? Oh, that....") Markets everywhere are plunging, some even more than the US. Looks like I am not alone in my worries..... <BR/> <BR/>Did I hear someone say to me a while back, "Chicken Little"?<BR/> <BR/>The Three Little Pigs can hear growling outside their door, but they are afraid to look and see what might be out there. Baby Bear says: "Someone ate my porridge!" Little Red Riding Hood says, "Oh Grandma, how big your teeth are!"<BR/> <BR/>I heard some pompous pundit on TV when I was in the break room here at work today saying there is fear of a BIG bank failing soon - a REALLY big bank. My oh my. Mercy Percy. And to think the same big banks have been telling me - ME, who never missed a payment or defaulted on a debt in my entire life!! - that I was a "bad credit risk." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!<BR/> <BR/>Like German chocolate cake with whipped cream and a maraschino cherry on top, that is really rich.<BR/> <BR/>Three cheers for greed. Adam Smith, Gordon Gekko, and the Republican Party told us greed was good for business. Aesop, 2,500 years ago, told us greed killed the goose that laid the golden eggs.<BR/> <BR/>I'm with Aesop. Always have been. Always will be.<BR/> <BR/>Maybe I'll even have a few Republicans in here with me when this is all over. Personally, I feel tike tossing them over the side to see how well they can walk on water. When they come to the door begging for food, I'll ask them who they voted for in 2000. I'll tell them to go ask him for food. (If they can find him in his "secure location.") Or, like Sarah Palin, they can go out and shoot a moose.<BR/><BR/>Or better yet, a fellow Republican. Especially if they can get one in elected office in their crosshairs.<BR/> <BR/>I am having fun. It is SO satisfying to watch the sky falling.<BR/> <BR/>Yours sincerely,<BR/>Lemuel GulliverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-72503186677696117462008-10-06T14:08:00.000-06:002008-10-06T14:08:00.000-06:00Greetings Will,The video in which you appeared wou...Greetings Will,<BR/><BR/>The video in which you appeared would be so much better if I knew what you said. Is a transcript or summary available?<BR/><BR/>Doc Ellis 124Doc Ellis 124https://www.blogger.com/profile/08543939658083915285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-27735766219499959462008-10-06T13:47:00.000-06:002008-10-06T13:47:00.000-06:00Mr.Grigg, Immigration is no doubt a libertariansti...Mr.Grigg, <BR/>Immigration is no doubt a libertarian<BR/>sticking point which will generate <BR/>much debate.<BR/><BR/>No man can be an island; can a nation?<BR/><BR/>BTW: looks like the bailout is<BR/>failing. How much will they ask for next?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-48981927773400939832008-10-05T23:20:00.000-06:002008-10-05T23:20:00.000-06:00Mr. Northwoods, your point about welfare for the "...Mr. Northwoods, your point about welfare for the "common man" is poignant, coming as it does following such a potent demonstration of the fact that the wealthy and powerful are always at the front of the queue for official compassion. <BR/><BR/>My view, of course, is that there should be no redistributionist welfare for anyone, rich or poor, native or immigrant. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Regarding immigration, as with all other matters of public interest we have to define what the problem <I>is,</I> and then <I>why</I> it is a problem. <BR/><BR/>And we have to keep in mind the sole justification for government: Protect individual rights from force and fraud that would intrude on those rights. <BR/><BR/>That limited grant of legitimacy doesn't change when the subject is immigration, any more than it would where the subject is terrorism, or drugs, or anything else. <BR/><BR/>The way I see it, the problems associated with immigration reflect the fact that government, as always, is doing things it should <I>not</I> be doing. <BR/><BR/>It shouldn't maintain a welfare state, or subsidize multi-lingual education (or be involved in education to begin with). It shouldn't be entering into interventionist trade pacts like NAFTA that result in dislocations of Mexico's agricultural economy. It shouldn't be funding Mexico's drug war, thereby subsidizing that country's Narco-Criminals (both directly and indirectly) and exacerbating the violence that drives at least some people to flee. <BR/><BR/>We really need to rein in tje government ruling us -- get it to stop all the things it shouldn't be doing -- before we consider investing additional powers in it to "solve" this problem. And it's of abiding interest to me that the government may be "solving" the immigration problem by wrecking our economy. Hooray for us.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-16075624381755519002008-10-05T23:03:00.000-06:002008-10-05T23:03:00.000-06:00William,What methods would you support to eliminat...William,<BR/><BR/>What methods would you support to eliminate illegal immigration? It's clear that you would want to eliminate what little is left of the welfare state for the common man, but what other methods are available? Ten years of hard labor?<BR/><BR/>On your point about some folks supporting abortion and restrictions on immigration, well, that's not a surprise as it is consistent with the idea that the US is becoming too crowded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1708119003044330722008-10-05T23:02:00.000-06:002008-10-05T23:02:00.000-06:00Mark, to the extent that there's any legitimate ro...Mark, to the extent that there's any legitimate role for the institution we call government, it is to protect individuals against the violation of their rights through force and fraud. <BR/><BR/>That would obviously include criminal acts committed by people who have come to this country without government authorization. And "fraud" would likewise include the involvement of non-citizens in civic functions such as voting. People who come here from abroad who commit acts of that sort (particularly criminal violations of the rights of other individuals) should be summarily expelled from the country.<BR/><BR/>I'm having a difficult time understanding where either force or fraud against individual rights takes place when someone comes here from abroad to work without government permission.<BR/><BR/>Turning the issue over in my head and examining it from every angle I can, I can't see how coming here to work "illegally" is an offense of greater moral or practical weight than refusing to wear a seat belt. <BR/><BR/><BR/>As I point out in the essay above, immigration of that kind tends to follow economic trends, waxing and waning as our economy does. <BR/><BR/>This does represent a change in my point of view on the issue. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Given the nature of politics it's easy to end up in some unexpected alliances. And you're emphatically right, Mark, in objecting that it's improper to lump people together simply on the basis of a shared position. <BR/><BR/><BR/>The "links and ties" approach (so-and-so is "linked" to someone "tied" to something or somebody unsavory) is always dishonest. <BR/><BR/><BR/>So is the "guilt by syllogism" tactic, as in: Person "A" opposed the Iraq War; person "B," a Commie Peace Puke/Nazi anti-Semite ALSO opposed the war; ergo, Person "A" is presumptively a Commie Peace Puke/Nazi anti-Semite. That kind of "reasoning" is pretty compelling evidence of bad faith.<BR/><BR/>Pearce has been given several opportunities (I even tried to create one myself) to put daylight between himself and Gruppenfuhrer Ready. He's not done so. They've been close, mutually respectful allies drawn together by 1) a shared fixation on immigration, and 2) a willingness to impose severe costs on individual liberties and the health of the economy in order to stop immigration from Mexico. <I>That's</I> what I take issue with here, and why I've come to think that the immigration issue was laden with so much potential trouble.<BR/><BR/><BR/>In one clip I link to, Ready bloviates about deploying the military domestically as an immigration enforcement agency. That view is surprisingly common on the Right. <BR/><BR/><BR/>ICE is setting up "border security" checkpoints hundreds of miles from either the northern or the southern border and conducting warrant-less, suspicion-less "Your papers, please" searches of automobiles. Immigration control, like narcotics control, is being used as a pretext to federalize (and militarize) local sheriff's departments. <BR/><BR/><BR/>We can't assume that all of this represents the benign intentions of a government simply trying to protect us from the immigrant horde -- which is thinning out, once again, because the government ruling us has wrecked our economy.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75153671255558339812008-10-05T22:53:00.000-06:002008-10-05T22:53:00.000-06:00faggotfaggotAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-4117147647883685302008-10-05T22:40:00.000-06:002008-10-05T22:40:00.000-06:00Will, the sadness I felt seeing that trash-out cre...Will, the sadness I felt seeing that trash-out crew video is (no exaggeration) close to what I felt when I saw the towers go down...BChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04412855686908336566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-37698565831439093912008-10-05T22:12:00.000-06:002008-10-05T22:12:00.000-06:00Will I must say that guilt-by-association is not a...Will I must say that guilt-by-association is not a great barometer of things like this. I supported Ron Paul, but I noticed that many of my fellow Paul supporters were not starting from the same premises that I had.<BR/><BR/>It would have been wrong to lump me into their "group". We just supported the same man for different reasons.<BR/><BR/>And speaking of re-examining premises, I'd like to know what yours are on this issue (and I will do the same if you like)<BR/><BR/>Do you or do you not feel that controlling the entry and exit of foreigners into the country is a legitimate function of government?Mark Moore (Moderator)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17386056132530808723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-10665647462845937432008-10-05T08:53:00.000-06:002008-10-05T08:53:00.000-06:00Mr. Jay -- I first want to thank you for your gene...Mr. Jay -- I first want to thank you for your generous, albeit highly qualified, comments about my other work. I don't expect that anyone will agree with me all of the time, of course. And the quality of my thinking won't improve if what I write is read by, and commented on, only by those who agree with me.<BR/><BR/>Filling out a few lines on an e-verify form is hardly the end of the imposition, either on businesses or would-be employees. And there are other elements of the story in Arizona -- such as the arrest and even deportation of people <I>legally</I> in this country, including US citizens, by overzealous LEOs working for the execrable Arpaio -- that contribute to the circumstances I describe.<BR/><BR/>Please read the <I>Reason </I> story to which I linked for more details on that subject.<BR/><BR/>Nowhere in my piece do I offer a brief on behalf of criminals, either foreign or domestic. As I've pointed out before, if we want to reduce the threat of Mexican narco-cartels, we should stop subsidizing them through the Narcotics Price Support Program, aka the "War on Drugs." <BR/><BR/>As for the other Mexican criminals who have seeded themselves into the immigrant population coming across the border, the good news remains the same: That "wave," as I point out, is receding. That is <I>unqualified</I> good news for the immigration control movement, Jay; you really should be rejoicing that the problem is shrinking.<BR/><BR/>Of the roughly 360 essays I've published here, I've addressed immigration perhaps four or five times. It's difficult to see how that constitutes "harping" on the issue. <BR/><BR/>My primary concern here is the same that's implicated in any other subject I write about -- the all-encompassing war by government on individual human freedom and dignity. <BR/><BR/>I'm also struck by the fact that someone like Ready, who is an undigested lump of racist bile, can be found comfortably bobbing in the Republican "mainstream" in Arizona, in large measure because Republicans in that state (as elsewhere) have succumbed to nationalist/collectivist fallacies. This guy can waddle to the front of a rally and grunt out a call for martial law in the name of immigration control, and local Republicans respond with a Pavlovian ovation.<BR/><BR/>No, as I have repeatedly and explicitly said, not everyone whose thinking about this issue is (from my perspective) seriously mistaken is a Nazi sympathizer or a racist. But when you find yourself joined at the hip with a Nazi, as Pearce did, you really should double-check your premises.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-34762758347103530302008-10-05T08:06:00.000-06:002008-10-05T08:06:00.000-06:00Re: Your update, Will -- (sarcasm) Now, Will, you ...Re: Your update, Will -- (sarcasm) Now, Will, you just get back into that pigeon hole. There ain't but a few categories allowed, and you have to pick one or the other. I can find lots of lefts and rights, but there ain't no "common sense" or "reality" ones! (end sarcasm)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com