tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post5006388038468190017..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: The Collaborator's Song (Updated with a brief afterthought, March 31)William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-12382559801131587662009-04-08T18:17:00.000-06:002009-04-08T18:17:00.000-06:00Anonymous @ 3:53 -- Boy, you nailed it flush when ...Anonymous @ 3:53 -- Boy, you nailed it flush when you referred to the "little influence" I had in Appleton. <BR/><BR/>One of the enduring perplexities of my time at JBS/TNA was the deeply entrenched belief (one that may persist to this day) that Saddam was implicated in 9/11, and probably in the OKC bombing. <BR/><BR/>During the maniacal drive for war with Iraq, the first drafts of my reportage would always emphasize that Iraq "never attacked or threatened the United States." And on each occasion my copy would be edited to remove the point that Iraq had "never attacked" us.<BR/><BR/>On several occasions Gary Benoit (TNA editor-in-chief) would piously insist that there was "good evidence" that Iraq was somehow involved in every terrorist episode since, and including, the OKC bombing. <BR/><BR/>It's true that there were hints, rumors, cobweb-thick filaments of insinuation, and cumulonimbus clouds of speculation on this account. <BR/><BR/>Bill Jasper's tremendously valuable work on OKC had unearthed some unsettling evidence of potential collaboration between Middle Eastern and neo-Nazi elements in this country, but there wasn't a firm and plausible connection linking Iraq to the Murrah Building. <BR/><BR/>The JBS management is top-heavy with people who remain reflexively jingoistic. This is painfully ironic to me, since the reason I became involved with the group was its opposition to the first Iraq War (I was also impressed with a cover story by Bill Jasper describing the abominable treatment of the American Indians). <BR/><BR/>It's because of this residual jingoism that the JBS will NOT take a forthright, unqualified stand in opposition to conscription (trust me, I beat my head against that wall for months while I was in Appleton); it will give the initial benefit of the doubt to every use of military force abroad, which is the opposite of the proper perspective; it supports the demented, money-devouring "missile defense" scheme; and it still labors to find a "Soviet" or "Red Chinese" threat. <BR/><BR/>The final issue of TNA in which I was published (October 16, 2006) was an interesting study in contrasts. The ominous cover headline was "Iran:Behind the Veil," illustrated with a suitably intimidating photo. Four articles in the editorial package depicted military confrontation and conflict with Iran and the Muslim world as all but unavoidable.<BR/><BR/>And toward the back of the issue, hidden away as if in embarrassment, was a piece by Yours Truly documenting that 1) modern radical Islam is largely an artifact of the CIA; and 2) our irreducible cultural and religious conflicts notwithstanding, the West and Islam can co-exist.<BR/><BR/>Just a week or so later, on the JBS website, Alan Scholl -- the individual most deeply involved in the effort to be rid of me -- published a juvenile screed in which he blustered that if Iran so much as "threatened" an American anywhere the U.S. should nuke that country.<BR/><BR/>Of course, I had to dissect that essay; see --<BR/><BR/>http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2006/11/review-of-news-november-10-expanded.html <BR/><BR/>-- and scroll about 2/3 of the way down the page.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1979473444562580112009-04-08T16:53:00.000-06:002009-04-08T16:53:00.000-06:00I also left JBS and allowed my TNA subscription to...I also left JBS and allowed my TNA subscription to expire. <BR/><BR/>Back in 2003, I emailed TNA's editor concerning six European mainstream news articles (Le Figaro, The Guardian, Agence France-Presse, London Times, etc.) as well as a Reuters AP wire reporting on Osama Bin Ladin's July, 2001 visit to the American Hospital in Dubai where a Dr. Terry Callaway performed kidney dialysis treatment for Mr. Bin Ladin, aka 'Tim Osman'. The same articles reported that the CIA dispatched two CIA officers, one identified as Larry Mitchell and another unknown operative, to meet up with America's Most Wanted Terrorist in his hospital room for a friendly "chat". <BR/><BR/>OBL was already wanted for the USS Cole attack, the Tanzanian embassy bombing and other attacks prior to his alleged 9/11 attacks in NYC and Washington; but interestingly, the 9/11 attacks are not listed as one of the litany of crimes on OBL's FBI rap sheet -an FBI report compiled AFTER the 9/11 attacks!<BR/><BR/>We can only guess what plans Larry and Osama might have been scouring over to put into action later that summer. Side note: The famous former DA, David Schippers, was also apprised in July of 2001 by concerned FBI field agents of an impending attack in lower Manhattan in late August or early September. <BR/><BR/>So I asked the TNA editor about these MSM reports. The response I received from the New American's editor shocked me. He simply said that he never heard of these news reports, so I emailed their research department to find out if they also missed these reports. I got the same answer.<BR/><BR/>Somehow JBS/TNA "research" either deemed the information unimportant or had simply "missed" myriad foreign news articles exposing and detailing such an incredible event. Their inept research team floored me, and, as a result, my inflated respect for the magazine came crashing down like the Hindenburg. <BR/><BR/>It wasn't just TNA's poor coverage of the innumerable 9/11 anomalies, it was also their lack of coverage, reporting delays and superficial coverage concerning other news worthy developments.<BR/><BR/> The magazine's watershed moment occurred right after 9/11; for example, even the usually reliable Bill Jasper had reported in the December, 2001 TNA issue that the "evidence" pointed toward Saddam Hussein as the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks. TNA was eager to jump on the jingoistic bandwagon and start pointing fingers at Saddam without doing a little more research into the 9/11 attacks and its causes. But to TNA's credit, they abandoned the Saddam 9/11 connection thesis in late 2002 -probably due to the little influence WNG wielded at the time. <BR/><BR/>The New American WAS a great magazine throughout the 90's, but no longer. It has lost its edge.<BR/><BR/>-Another former JBS member and TNA subscriberAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-49415123369606809492009-04-07T00:27:00.000-06:002009-04-07T00:27:00.000-06:00Ouch!Ouch!Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00447111416321992256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-8499260020080283482009-04-06T22:34:00.000-06:002009-04-06T22:34:00.000-06:00As the first second generation field staff employe...As the first second generation field staff employee of the John Birch Society I too am sickened but not surprised by the groveling cowardice demonstrated by the whining deballed eunuchs who have infested the leadership positions of the JBS like puss filled chancres in the anal cavities of their fellow likeminded soon to be buggering masters. They are responsible for allowing a once responsible tip of the sword liberty organization to be taken control of by a droll like petty little narcissistic delusional woman's shoe salesman with a savior complex. <BR/><BR/>They have for years submitted their fat chair moistening posteriors to the continued perverted assaults of their little leader taking it to the hilt, all three inches of it, in the hope that they would gain enough approval to keep their pathetic pay checks and important sounding titles.<BR/>The self important puffed up Jack McAnus in the rare moments he is not pounding his little Irish pud in front of his computer monitor reminds me of the drag queens I once arrested in the skid row area of L.A. trying to impersonate real women in order to quench their perverted appetites. He is a lying and slandering coward and that is on his good day.<BR/><BR/>Alan Scholl is a petty little Cretan who could probably do a fair job of running a bathhouse in San Francisco is so far out of his league in every area he is almost to pathetic to hold accountable for his treasonous cowardice. He is a stupid pussy in every sense of the words. His failed family relations demonstrate this fact as well.<BR/><BR/>I well remember the brave Art Thompson hiding behind a woman's skirt back in 1997 afraid to enter a courageous JBS sections leaders home to examine the well documented evidence proving proving Gertrude Vance Smiths evil scheming which led to the destruction of the JBS. He would not enter the home unless I left. And this animated ball of human feces is the leader?<BR/><BR/>Bill Jasper an honorable man who should leave this execrable cable of treasonous lying scum.KSBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-70279164767171596452009-04-04T08:15:00.000-06:002009-04-04T08:15:00.000-06:00Will, I am afraid that even if all of the males in...Will, I am afraid that even if all of the males in this country watched The Sound of Music on a regular basis, it would do little good.<BR/><BR/>Our betters have managed to indoctrinate us so well that they would see no connection with what the Nazis did to what our rulers are trying to do. After all, the Nazis were Fascists while we are an upright Democracy which is trying to fight terrorism, maintain order, etc. This kind of brainwashing will guarantee that few will see the truth until things have degenerated badly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-89155776436935138612009-04-02T23:49:00.000-06:002009-04-02T23:49:00.000-06:00Will, I have Red Dawn on tape. As you know, the re...Will, I have Red Dawn on tape. As you know, the reeducation camp behind Tom Eckert eventually gets a major makeover by the resistance and the political prisoners are rearmed and liberated. In the same situation today I am afraid that a lot of Americans would refuse the weapons and meekly remain behind the fencing out of fear "getting into even more trouble with the authorities."Marc Swansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05638073945201888881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-72168681551663066912009-04-01T18:47:00.000-06:002009-04-01T18:47:00.000-06:00Anonymous people show some testicular fortitude an...Anonymous people show some testicular fortitude and choose a nickname. Lack of a nom de guerre doesn't make you incognito. The blog administrator can see your IP address, what browser and os you are using and maybe your internet service provider.hello my name is fuzzy yarblesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-85381409898245214972009-04-01T15:51:00.000-06:002009-04-01T15:51:00.000-06:00Obviously nonsense. These arguments, however since...<I>Obviously nonsense. These arguments, however sincere they may be, don't work; they never work. You will eventually resemble the target, not the other way around.<BR/><BR/>Ergo, in the tavern, the Christian will become indistinguishable from the regulars soon enough, just as the initially anti-statist NGO will become indistinguishable from the rest of the statist NGO horde soon enough.<BR/><BR/>Why is it so hard to convince folk that when you play with [work with] dirt, you'll eventually get dirty? Don't bother playing in the enemy's sandbox, play in your sandbox.</I><BR/><BR/>Nietzsche summed this one up.<BR/><BR/>“He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-50536965939391974012009-04-01T14:36:00.000-06:002009-04-01T14:36:00.000-06:00Conficker bogeyman? What the hell is that?Ok, jus...Conficker bogeyman? What the hell is that?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Ok, just scroogled it. Turns out there was supposed to be some kind of worm or something today.<BR/><BR/>Shows how much I pay attention to the MSM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23938908146442449452009-04-01T14:16:00.000-06:002009-04-01T14:16:00.000-06:00Yayy! It looks the internet is still here. The con...Yayy! It looks the internet is still here. The conficker bogeyman has passed (?) Non technically proficient family members are calling up asking what to do. I said anti-virus software and keep it up to date. But it's on the news they say it must be true. Well shucks if it's on the news it must be etched on a stone tablet somewhere! When did a nation of rugged individuals become so easily fooled and frightened? Could it be political correctness? The communists started political correctness back in the thirties and it is a plague now. It is nothing more than self-censorship and bottling up of personal opinions so that some won't be offended. How weak and lilly livered the rugged individuals have become.merry crisis and a happy new fearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-74319075091978445802009-04-01T13:45:00.000-06:002009-04-01T13:45:00.000-06:00Interesting Comparison to "The Brotherhood".Saddam...Interesting Comparison to "The Brotherhood".<BR/><BR/>Saddam Hussein had a way of keeping his closest guards and other personnel from rebelling, or so I'm told.<BR/><BR/>He would have a large group of other guards show up at one guard's house in the middle of the night. They would put a gun to his head and say, "We're going to have a coup, and overthrow Saddam Hussein. Are you with us?" If the guard said "yes", they'd shoot him, if "no" they'd let him go. He would do this routinely, so even if it were a real coup, it would be almost a guarantee that they'd say no.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if there are any comparisons. But, there you have it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-81553355725575445332009-04-01T13:27:00.000-06:002009-04-01T13:27:00.000-06:00It sounds as if the JBS in recent years has suffer...It sounds as if the JBS in recent years has suffered the same fate as the Libertarian National Committee (LNC, my membership in which I tore up six years ago): infiltration and co-option, however gradual, by statists. Such people, while publicly paying at least minimal lip service to the organization's ideological baseline, gradually seize positions of power within the organization and then begin subverting it by playing to the Establishment status quo, watering down the organization's governing platform to "avoid controversy" or "prevent alienation of prospective new members," and attacking those of integrity within the organization who espouse and practice its actual core values. The process acts very much like a viral infection in a human being, and is just as fatal to the organization it infects.<BR/><BR/>Such "Beltwayitis" has seriously infected a number of longstanding NPOs supposedly dedicated to the preservation of liberty (the CATO Institute is another example that comes readily to mind), not all of them headquartered within the confines of the I-495 corridor. One could easily be forgiven for believing them to be "honey pot" organizations set up by members of the Reigning Establishment to "trap" and keep tabs on those who seek to re-establish liberty, much in the same vein as Emmanuel Goldstein's Brotherhood in Orwell's <I>1984</I> served as a trap to catch those who would betray Big Brother and the Party.liberranterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-79472065701013239552009-03-31T19:50:00.000-06:002009-03-31T19:50:00.000-06:00Will, your response to Anonymous 8:36 AM was a del...Will, your response to Anonymous 8:36 AM was a delight to read! You took every premise made and turned it completely on its head. It made me cringe just reading what this person wrote, with that self-righteous, naïve Birch mentality coming through loud and clear.<BR/><BR/>And I swear, those JBS people need to get a thesaurus, because their perpetual use of the word “disgruntled” to describe most former employees really gets old. They might also want to ask themselves why there are so many unhappy, bitter former employees out there. Could be that it has a lot to do with what you described - the backbiting, lies, and innuendo the staff unfailingly spreads among the members when someone is fired (usually unjustly, as was your case), or simply resigns! It’s as if they cannot conceive of anyone honorable ever choosing to leave their nationalistic, secular, and totally irrelevant Society.Ex-JBSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-44628820420020487902009-03-31T19:36:00.000-06:002009-03-31T19:36:00.000-06:00I was a member of the JBS for many years but I lef...I was a member of the JBS for many years but I left the society after they refused to admit that 9-11 attacks were an inside job. In fact I was amazed when Bill Jasper wrote an article for the New American supporting the government's position on what happened at the Pentagon on 9-11. Even Chris Bently is still supporting the gov position on 9-11. I don't care for the current leaders either. I worked with Alan Scholl for a brief time and thought he was a nerd. Art Thompson gives me the creeps, I don't trust him. Have you been to the JBS website? There is almost nothing left from the previously vigorus Society. There is no reference anywhere to "conspiracy". Checkout their books and videos store, almost nothing there of value, I was surprised to see that they do have one book on conspiracy, The Shadows of Power, an old and out-of-date piece, they call it their "best seller", and that is it. The Society has been emasculated. Too bad. But I am not going back. Keep up the good work Will.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-80191126529374334072009-03-31T19:21:00.000-06:002009-03-31T19:21:00.000-06:00Wonderful post, Mr. Grigg!I agree with you, the fo...Wonderful post, Mr. Grigg!<BR/><BR/>I agree with you, the focus is the abolition of the Fusion Center.<BR/><BR/>The John Birch Society is asking it's members to act in a way that specifically cited by the Missouri MIAC report. It points to <B>Public Groups</B>: "Organizations hold training events that are open to the public and generally recruit publicly. These groups desire to aid the County Sheriff or Governor in emergencies such as natural disaster. It is not uncommon for these groups to be seen in public doing community service related work." <BR/><BR/>Just trying to cultivate a relationship is considered to be suspect of possible "para-military" activity. What on earth, can the "upper management" of the organization hoping to gain? <BR/><BR/>The smashing of jurisdictional walls between the State and Federal government must be restored. Personally, I think private competitive currency is the best way to swing the pendulum. But, outrage and public pressure over the loss of privacy and government lists of political profiling would be a huge step in the right direction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-56099600620545351392009-03-31T19:10:00.000-06:002009-03-31T19:10:00.000-06:00With all respect to the sincerity behind this ques...<I>With all respect to the sincerity behind this question, my answer is "no." The people</I> [Bernanke, Bush, Obama, et al] <I>responsible for affixing</I> [ SAYING one thing and DOING another to promote the destruction of...] <I>those labels</I> [the economy] <I>are <B>not acting out of ignorance, or a lack of education</B>; they <B>know</B> what they're doing.</I><BR/><BR/>[Can it be any clearer?...sigh]<BR/><BR/><I>What you suggest would be a bit like trying to "educate" the Chinese Politburo about the fallacies of Marx.</I><BR/><BR/>Hehe, that's an <I>exact</I> description of Peter Schiff engraved in my mind ;). Yeah, I know that he is not the topic and that he's [supposedly] not a Leviathan <I>aide de camp</I> and whatnot...yada, yada. Nevertheless, it's just that after reading Will's comment above I immediately thought about Schiff's real (or is it merely superficial?) <A HREF="http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2009/02/reckoning-amid-wreckage.html#c2486040734769953666" REL="nofollow">naïvete</A> concerning his apparently inexplicable (to me) bewilderment at <B>WHY</B> folk, who are in Leviathan's employ directly or indirectly, SAY one [logical] thing and yet DO [illogical] things in the realm of economics, or anything else for that matter.<BR/><BR/>He squeaks about these contradictions on his vlog consistently and, naturally, Will's description is apropo and fits powerful Leviathan agents like a glove, IMHO.<BR/><BR/>Trying to change an organization, such as the U.N. for example, whose very existence was borne out of the sadistic desires of international oligarchs, from the inside out on a macro level would be like saying on a micro level that Christians should "attend" a bar (U.N.) and talk to the patrons (bureaucrats) about Jesus and being born again (What? Transform it into a church? HAHA!). After all, Christians need to be represented in such places.<BR/><BR/>Obviously nonsense. These arguments, however sincere they may be, don't work; they never work. You will eventually resemble the target, not the other way around.<BR/><BR/>Ergo, in the tavern, the Christian will become indistinguishable from the regulars soon enough, just as the initially anti-statist NGO will become indistinguishable from the rest of the statist NGO horde soon enough.<BR/><BR/>Why is it so hard to convince folk that when you <I>play</I> with [work with] dirt, you'll eventually get dirty? Don't bother playing in the enemy's sandbox, play in your sandbox.<BR/><BR/>And speaking of playing with dirt, I should probably clarify at this point what I said in my first comment since I can already foresee someone likely getting the wrong idea.<BR/><BR/>What I specifically mean by "playing the ignorant and submissive card to the hilt" is in terms of working around the globs of "red tape" that one often has to slog through in a heavily-regulated environment where the rules in question have already long been the status quo.<BR/><BR/>To illustrate merely one example, getting through customs with stuff you wouldn't normally get through with...[I plead the fifth]... If you decide to play stupid, ignorant, and act submissive in those kinds of situations, while the arrogant tax-feeders are "feeling they powa take ova ya," intimidate you (they believe), whatever, you likely wouldn't have your bags checked. You just meekly walk your goofy self through with your bag(s) and move along. It worked for me back in the day. Of course, now after 9/11 the routine is very different and probably wouldn't work.<BR/><BR/>Even so, it's situations like that that I was mainly talking about. Sometimes one just has to play the "obedient" lowly serf drama to get through a given gatekeeper and his/her potentially attendant Leviathanic headaches ;).<BR/> <BR/>Anyway, keep preachin' it, Will ;).dixiedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-729744314217975142009-03-31T14:36:00.000-06:002009-03-31T14:36:00.000-06:00Mr. Grigg, could it be that the present JBS leader...<I>Mr. Grigg, could it be that the present JBS leadership, by educating the agents of the Fusion centers with TRUTH published by the JBS, truth concerning the JBS, truth concerning Ron Paul, Dr. Chuck Baldwin, the North American Union, the Constitution, etc. actually undermine the evil purposes of those within DHS who would label supporters of Ron Paul, etc. as terrorists?</I><BR/><BR/>With all respect to the sincerity behind this question, my answer is "no." The people responsible for affixing those labels are <I>not acting out of ignorance, or a lack of education</I>; they <I><B>know</B></I> what they're doing.<BR/><BR/>What you suggest would be a bit like trying to "educate" the Chinese Politburo about the fallacies of Marx. <BR/><BR/>If that seems a bit severe, consider an analogy drawn from the film that represents the apex of the cinematic art -- yes, I'm referring to "Ghostbusters." Remember how Ernie Hudson's character was asked if he believed in various ridiculous things, from astral projection to reincarnation? His reply was: "If there's a paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say."<BR/><BR/>Fusion center apparatchiks will "believe" whatever they're required to by the people who sign their paychecks.<BR/><BR/><I> [Through the JBS's educational outreach to fusion centers it's possible that] some of those agents will begin to understand and actually turn around the Fusion Centers from the bottom up, or at least resist the spread of other inacurate and inflamatory pieces. Or they will provide warning of such.</I><BR/><BR/>You're missing the point: The fusion centers <I><B>should not exist.</B></I> They <I><B>must</B></I> be abolished. Full stop.<BR/><BR/>Yes, as I pointed out in the essay, it would be useful to cultivate "defectors in place" within the fusion centers, if possible. But the immediate priority should be to demolish the damn things outright, rather than to refine their efforts as they carry out an unconstitutional function. <BR/><BR/>On the same reasoning that you offer above, shouldn't we work to "reform" the UN from the "bottom up," rather than demanding U.S. withdrawal from the world body (which would lead to its immediate demise)? How would that campaign differ in principle from what the JBS is proposing regarding the fusion centers?<BR/><BR/><I>It is not collaboration as the Society is not helping the Fusion Center to spread the lies from DHS or the Southern Poverty Law Review. Collaboration would mean actually aiding them. There is no way you can construe what the Society's members would be doing as aiding them.</I><BR/><BR/>First of all, I trust the Society's membership to be more sensible and perceptive than that of the wobble-bottomed, linguine-spined management caste in Appleton. <BR/><BR/>Secondly, by helping to consolidate the fusion centers when the only constitutionally sound approach is to agitate for their immediate abolition <I>is</I> collaboration. The issue, again, is not to fine-tune the message those unconstitutional entities are emitting, but to shut them down entirely.<BR/><BR/>To revert to the UN example:<BR/><BR/>When I was on staff at the JBS, we would frequently criticize organizations -- such as the NRA -- that sought ECOSOC status as NGOs at the UN. We had no problem identifying them as collaborators with the UN -- not because they were promoting the worst UN policies, of course, but because they were lending legitimacy to an organization that shouldn't exist. <BR/><BR/>Now the JBS management would have that organization take the same approach regarding the fusion centers. It's collaboration, any way you slice it. QED. <BR/><BR/><I>Your supposed divination of the motivations of the top JBS leadership in their course of asking members to meet with Fusion Center people and desiminating JBS produced information regarding topics that the Society has invesitgated to Fusion center personnel seems more like guess work by a disgruntled former JBS employee bent on sullying the JBS name than "investigative reporting."<BR/><BR/>I have certainly met with Legislators in the past that I didn't agree with and talked with them about areas of disagreement, but that didn't make me a collaborator with their unconstitutional choices. Your judgement seems unfair and uncalled for. You even admit you can not be objective where the JBS is concerned.</I><BR/><BR/>First, the JBS has no "leadership"; it is currently under the direction of managers with no strategic vision or appetite for useful confrontation.<BR/><BR/>Second, you're guilty of a false analogy when you mention meeting with a legislator with a dubious constitutional voting record. Legislative bodies serve a constitutional function; fusion centers do not; indeed, their mission -- expanding and deepening federal control over law enforcement as part of a Soviet-style system of internal surveillance -- is consummately unconstitutional. <BR/><BR/>Yes, I freely admit that my objectivity regarding the current JBS management is suspect. <BR/><BR/>Most if not all human beings would deeply resent being fired for <I>no defensible reason</I>, being left without the means of supporting a large family and an invalid wife. <BR/><BR/><BR/>People treated that way would take further offense to learn that those responsible for that decision had circulated documentable lies about their character, work performance, and similar matters.<BR/><BR/>It is an enduring conundrum that the JBS could be composed of wonderful, self-sacrificing, generous people in its rank and file, and yet be "led" by the likes of the four people who stabbed me and my family in the back.<BR/><BR/>They are craven, despicable cowards and liars, every one of them, and if any of them is any part of a man he's free to try and make me retract that description (yes, Alan, consider that an invitation). <BR/><BR/>But I am NOT the one who urged JBS members to support the Homeland Security Soviets, when genuine patriot leaders are demanding their abolition. I'm simply reporting that fact, in context, as an object lesson.<BR/><BR/>The JBS management has sullied itself. I'm simply taking public notice of that tragic fact.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-47300985193804520032009-03-31T11:02:00.000-06:002009-03-31T11:02:00.000-06:00I'll make sure and stay out of the People's Republ...I'll make sure and stay out of the People's Republik of Missouri even if it cost more in gas and adds mileage. I wonder if the SPLC had anything to with this MIAC bravo sierra? The New American was great back in the 90's when Slick Willie and Hitllary were in power a friend of my dad would hook me up with stacks of em when he was done reading them. I would only use the current New American for birdcage lining or emergency toilet paper.billy pilgrimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-76821688635736338582009-03-31T09:36:00.000-06:002009-03-31T09:36:00.000-06:00Mr. Grigg, could it be that the present JBS leader...Mr. Grigg, could it be that the present JBS leadership, by educating the agents of the Fusion centers with TRUTH published by the JBS, truth concerning the JBS, truth concerning Ron Paul, Dr. Chuck Baldwin, the North American Union, the Constitution, etc. actually undermine the evil purposes of those within DHS who would lable supporters of Ron Paul, etc. as terrorists? <BR/><BR/>Could it be that by having the courage to meet the Fusion Center's propaganda head on like this, at its source, is not "collaboration" but instead is <BR/>a Christian style confrontation with facts? Afterall, the Missiouri authorities have already had to repudiate the offending report due to the pressure from JBS members, C4L members, and others labled by it.<BR/><BR/>Peacefully confronting the Fusion Center personnel head on with actual contact by those the agents of government are supposed to assume are the enemy, teaches the Fusion Center personal that those so accused are really just good Americans seeking to restore constitutionalism to our government. Maybe some of those agents will begin to understand and actually turn around the Fusion Centers from the bottom up, or at least resist the spread of other inacurate and inflamatory pieces. Or they will provide warning of such. <BR/><BR/>It is not collaboration as the Society is not helping the Fusion Center to spread the lies from DHS or the Southern Poverty Law Review. Collaboration would mean actually aiding them. There is no way you can construe what the Society's members would be doing as aiding them.<BR/><BR/>Your supposed divination of the motivations of the top JBS leadership in their course of asking members to meet with Fusion Center people and desiminating JBS produced information regarding topics that the Society has invesitgated to Fusion center personnel seems more like guess work by a disgruntled former JBS employee bent on sullying the JBS name than "investigative reporting." <BR/><BR/>I have certainly met with Legislators in the past that I didn't agree with and talked with them about areas of disagreement, but that didn't make me a collaborator with their unconstitutional choices. Your judgement seems unfair and uncalled for. You even admit you can not be objective where the JBS is concerned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-30419223289037665792009-03-30T22:06:00.000-06:002009-03-30T22:06:00.000-06:00Learn to live inside your head. Don't speak unless...Learn to live inside your head. Don't speak unless spoken too. Keep religion and politics to yourself. The people of Germany had the "German glance" before talking about controversial subjects. Looks like we'll have to learn that. Let's use this www revelation while we can. It will be shut down eventually. Maybe this conficker hype will be a catalyst.don't drink the koolaidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-51282110811074753212009-03-30T19:30:00.000-06:002009-03-30T19:30:00.000-06:00Will, another superb post! I would be negligent i...Will, another superb post! I would be negligent if I did not also praise some of your regular commentators such as Dixiedog, Liberrantor, and many others for their frequent and very substantive contributions. With these examples to follow I often feel intellectually unworthy to comment here but, as you know, this topic gets my blood pressure up.<BR/><BR/>The United States has become a nation of pacified collaborators who lack both the intelligence to understand what now lies ahead of us, and the education to understand why they should be outraged by it.<BR/><BR/>When the simple acts of believing in the founding principles and documents of this once great nation and the espousing of those beliefs is sufficient to get one "labeled" a domestic terrorist, then I contend that is indeed time to act on the observation of H.L. Menken:<BR/>"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats." <BR/><BR/>In addition, today, the free market system of the United States had the final nail pounded into its coffin as the "anointed one" essentially fired the CEO of General Motors thus proving there is no legal line this administration will not cross in its unquenchable bloodthirst for power.<BR/><BR/>How did we get here? Maybe Alexis de Tocqueville has the answer:<BR/>"After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd."<BR/><BR/>How much longer before we throw off the constraints and act? As I look across the room at my son I have to ask myself: Is my life so dear to me that I am willing to condemn him and his children to generations of servitude because I was too cowardly to act? I am slowly coming to the realization that my life will quite possibly end, one way or another, at the hands of my own government. If and when this possibility becomes certainty, I vow to die on my feet with a hot, smoking rifle in my hands fighting for my childrens' future, not on my knees in a FEMA detainment camp. When all husbands and fathers take upon themselves this same vow, we can begin to right this ship.<BR/><BR/>jk<BR/>Si vis pacem, para bellumAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-31674151291501054032009-03-30T17:09:00.000-06:002009-03-30T17:09:00.000-06:00Yea I concur that the new American has for all and...Yea I concur that the new American has for all and intents and purposes abandoned investigative journalism. I now turn to websites like online journal/madsen report to get the hard hitting deep digging that used to be found in the TNA. But at least we can now stay abreast of the recent family friendly/ christian oscars that were held. Yea just we friggin care about as the last of our freedoms swirl down the drain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75832736780766844182009-03-30T12:46:00.000-06:002009-03-30T12:46:00.000-06:00IIRC, Red Dawn was actually the last movie I ever ...IIRC, <I>Red Dawn</I> was actually the last movie I ever went to see in a theatre. This was just before I entered the AF as a "flyboy," actually a "grunt-light" particularly in the realm of GLCM deployments in Europe.<BR/><BR/>I made a <A HREF="http://www.haloscan.com/comments/voxday/113128429778460897/#904726" REL="nofollow">post</A> on another blog a few years ago about SLATT; does anyone remember the ADL's "<A HREF="http://www.adl.org/mwd/" REL="nofollow">Militia Watchdog</A>," Sparky? Mr. Pitcavage is a large legend. This stuff is out there for anybody to read and grok. Obviously, none of this stuff is ever broadcast overtly "in your face," unless it's exposed (i.e. the MIAC report) in a "mainstream," high-traffic, venue. And speaking of the MIAC report, it only miraculously <A HREF="http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2009/03/27/20090327_121232.htm" REL="nofollow">garnered a mention on Drudge</A> recently <I>after</I> it had been <A HREF="http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin501.htm" REL="nofollow">rescinded</A>, supposedly.<BR/><BR/><I>We should be thankful for their candor, and earnestly reciprocate that designation.</I><BR/><BR/>Indeed...hehe. Of course, you still have to dig around somewhat to uproot the candor, but not as much as in days past. And Solzhenitsyn's advice is most keen, IMHO, because he was a bona fide expert in managing to live [literally] within the confines [literally] of a serfdom.<BR/><BR/><I>The</I> New American <I>have pretty much given up on investigative reporting, which is a screaming pity, given that they still have Bill Jasper on staff, and he's the best investigative reporter in the country.</I><BR/><BR/>I never would have uttered/wrote that in your space, Will, but since it now has come from <I>your</I> mouth, ur keyboard, I would have to agree. Mr. Jasper was my favorite investigative writer of TNA articles, but you were a close second, honest!<BR/><BR/>Lastly, I'll have to make a distinction between collaborating with the State, even passively, involving the <I>revelation of critical knowledge</I> of any kind that will endanger the lives of family members or other totalitarian-loathing folk, with whom you're affiliated, and playing the ignorant and submissive card to the hilt in order to attempt to "skate under the radar," so to speak, of the watchers in question themselves. I've played the latter drama many times. I'm sure you can imagine in your own mind various scenarios where that kind of so-called "collaboration" is most helpful for everyone, except the statists themselves.<BR/><BR/>The folk who pompously act like roosters in a barnyard and figuratively "beat their chest" and cackle the loudest simply to be seen and heard by the hens and other "lesser" cocks are usually the first to be put on the chopping block AND/OR will be the first to spill their crop about everyone and everything they know as soon as the fox raids the henhouse.dixiedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-57962961711031591002009-03-30T10:33:00.000-06:002009-03-30T10:33:00.000-06:00J'motlie and Liberranter -- It's difficult for me ...J'motlie and Liberranter -- It's difficult for me to be objective about the matter both of you touch upon. <BR/><BR/>The people under discussion are former friends whom I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Then again, the knife wounds they left in my back in late '06 are still largely unhealed, so I don't consider them to be particularly trustworthy. <BR/><BR/>We know enough about the role played by "fusion centers" and the like to understand that the only suitable course of action is to seek their abolition. <BR/><BR/>It's tremendously useful to cultivate "defectors in place" who will leak information about what they're up to (that's how the MIAC report was leaked to Alex Jones, and how I learned most of what SLATT was up to in the late 1990s). <BR/><BR/>This isn't the same kind of thing my erstwhile associates at JBS have in mind. For one thing, JBS and <I>The New American</I> have pretty much given up on investigative reporting, which is a screaming pity, given that they still have Bill Jasper on staff, and he's the best investigative reporter in the country. <BR/><BR/>From my experience with JBS upper management I suspect they're not planning to mount an insurgency, but rather thinking of something along the lines of handing out candy and sweets to the occupation force. <BR/><BR/>Oh, sorry -- there goes my objectivity again, I guess. We victims of multiple dorsal stab wounds are sometimes funny that way....William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-87088540092343064972009-03-30T10:12:00.000-06:002009-03-30T10:12:00.000-06:00I’m a male who loves the Sound of Music, primarily...I’m a <B>male</B> who loves the <I>Sound of Music</I>, primarily for its exquisite lesson in bravery, demonstrated by Captain von Trapp, who made the exceedingly painful decision to leave his homeland rather than collaborate with his enemies.<BR/><BR/>I also like the schlocky <I>Red Dawn</I>, not because the particular story told was plausible, but because, as you point out, we could see such totalitarianism imposed from within. I could definitely envision a small number of people attempting to resist such totalitarianism in the manner portrayed in that movie. One of the things I like best about <I>Red Dawn</I> is that I think it’s realistic in its depiction of the resisters slowly being decimated by attrition and weariness. Unlike so many movies in which the “good guys” prevail, that movie is more sobering.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://daveeriqat.wordpress.com/" REL="nofollow">Dave - Erstwhile Urban Wanderer</A>Davehttp://daveeriqat.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com