tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post4886650787270604417..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: The Pseudo-Courage of Chris KyleWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger301125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-12436862039038230382016-09-02T21:23:08.461-06:002016-09-02T21:23:08.461-06:00An obscene comment written by an anonymous coward ...An obscene comment written by an anonymous coward to praise the writing of a man whose thinking represents all that is wrong with America today. Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07638300217052982728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-80753173956961550362015-10-13T11:08:15.596-06:002015-10-13T11:08:15.596-06:00Mr. Anonymous, you're the type of idiot who bl...Mr. Anonymous, you're the type of idiot who blindly believes that ridiculous claim Chris made. When there is no evidence verifying it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-16656388063481197042015-01-26T18:21:14.366-07:002015-01-26T18:21:14.366-07:00Goodness, I have read some of the most hateful com...Goodness, I have read some of the most hateful comments ever. I understand not being in agreement about these issues, but many of the haters are worse than what you accuse this man to be. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-49887837159098498422015-01-23T16:24:48.874-07:002015-01-23T16:24:48.874-07:00Why is it that every one of the posts that disagre...Why is it that every one of the posts that disagree with this very intelligent article have some sort of punctuation or spelling error. Stupid is as stupid writes, I guess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-10715704759974613712015-01-22T05:24:46.698-07:002015-01-22T05:24:46.698-07:00oh- i forgot to mention- chris kyle did not write ...oh- i forgot to mention- chris kyle did not write his own book- he hired a ghost writer. i would hate to see the text if they allowed him to write the words...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7474673996164104052015-01-22T05:22:56.631-07:002015-01-22T05:22:56.631-07:00chris kyle was not a hero- a hero is not someone w...chris kyle was not a hero- a hero is not someone who invades another country illegally and murders their civilians. chris kyle was a war criminal. he shot unarmed women and children from a distance, likely in the back. a real hero sniper, simo hayha, shot 505 russians attempting to invade HIS country in one winter- that's right, he shot real invaders and killed twice as many as chris kyle CLAIMS he did in 10 years. as to the veracity of chris kyle's claims, i note that he was proven in court to have lied his ass off about fighting jesse ventura- it never happened. and from that we can determine that much of what chris kyle claimed also likely never happened.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-71427100474243372002015-01-21T18:21:08.181-07:002015-01-21T18:21:08.181-07:00The American boobousie just loves them some psycho...The American boobousie just loves them some psychopaths! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-3301980287746869172015-01-17T08:37:26.336-07:002015-01-17T08:37:26.336-07:00Looks like Mr.Sniper Karma (ed) - out. Funny, as a...Looks like Mr.Sniper Karma (ed) - out. Funny, as a Vet, I feel nothing but Disdain for this man.<br /><br />Former Marine STA Ptl. 3/6Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-40569760304095087392014-12-17T23:13:57.547-07:002014-12-17T23:13:57.547-07:00You stupid uneducated misinformed fuck, please...l...You stupid uneducated misinformed fuck, please...learn about the subjects before you play with fire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-46243072423670023672014-10-04T02:19:08.896-06:002014-10-04T02:19:08.896-06:00Reading over the comments on this thread, it's...Reading over the comments on this thread, it's truly sad to see just how brainwashed so many people are. Will has shown admirable patience in attempting to get these Beavis and Butthead types to <b>think</b> for once in their lives, but I fear that he may not be able to win this battle. How do you reason with those who are incapable of reason?<br /><br />The Hannitized, lobotomized, two-digit-IQ brigade are incapable of comprehending politics except in the most simplistic terms. It's entirely about "conservatives versus liberals" -- "conservative" being defined, of course, by the neocon Republican establishment. Anyone who disagrees with their agenda is -- what else? -- a "liberal."<br /><br />Notice how the non-thinkers here continue to parrot the propaganda about how the military is "defending our freedom" by attacking foreigners, yet not one of them has been able to explain<br /><br />(1) how those foreigners could possibly threaten our freedom when they could never in a million years manage to occupy a country as vast and well-armed as the US, even if we didn't have a push-button ICBM deterrent against foreign militaries;<br /><br />and<br /><br />(2) how Americans can be claim to be "free" when living under a government that recognizes no absolute limits on its power; that imprisons millions for victimless crimes; that spies on its population to an extent that the KGB and Stasi couldn't have dreamed of; that allows the police to brutalize the public with almost perfect impunity; that corrals protesters into "free speech zones"; that allows police to confiscate valuable assets from citizens without arrest, trial, or conviction, but merely a statement of suspicion that the assets were obtained in conjunction with the drug trade; and that otherwise shows contempt for its own Constitution in just about every way possible.<br /><br />No matter how many times it's carefully explained to some folks, they just can't get their minds around the fact that the "American" government is actually anti-American. It is opposed to all of the great principles the Founders believed in. The military is there to serve that government and the special interests who bribe that government, NOT the people of the country.<br /><br />As for this movie about the psychopath Chris Kyle, of course it's a Pentagon propaganda effort. The Pentagon, and the US government in general, is known to be in cahoots with Hollywood. (They probably had the idea to eventually make a propaganda movie out of the Jessica Lynch "heroism under fire" tale, though to her credit she was too honest to play along.) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-82284508311184949382014-10-04T02:08:26.343-06:002014-10-04T02:08:26.343-06:00Joshua Chicoine said...
Movies coming out, the po...Joshua Chicoine said...<br /><br /><i>Movies coming out, the political situation has changed, and with all that has occurred in the waning days of Obama presidency, I must wonder if the "libertarian" far right is still so cock sure in shitting on its nation and those who defend it? You are the uber patriots after all.</i><br /><br />To which "nation" are you referring, Joshua? Because if it's the United States of America, I have bad news for you: that nation doesn't exist anymore. It died with the abandonment of its founding principles and the Constitution that codified them. This process didn't happen overnight -- it took many decades -- but the final nail in the coffin was arguably the NDAA, which dispenses with the due process guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. <br /><br />Libertarians are trying to resurrect America. We want to see the Bill of Rights restored, freedom respected, and justice upheld (not only for Americans, but for EVERYONE). America has never truly lived up to its ideals, but in recent years it has strayed from them at an alarming rate.<br /><br />As for "those who defend this nation," Will has already explained repeatedly why the military is NOT defending America by attacking foreigners who pose zero military threat to the US. "But what about 9/11?" some will ask. That could have happened just as easily if the US military had already been occupying every Muslim country on earth. What the military does on the other side of the planet has no effect on what someone already residing within the US might do -- unless those military actions <i>provoke</i> someone within the US to carry out a terrorist act.<br /><br />In fact, we have already seen that happen. Did the "War on Terror" prevent the 7/7 attacks in England? Did it stop the Boston Marathon bombers? How about the other attempted attacks, like the underwear bomber a few years back? No. Our foreign aggression <i>incited</i> those attacks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-84732750367525009572014-10-03T19:16:02.656-06:002014-10-03T19:16:02.656-06:00The political situation hasn't changed all tha...The political situation hasn't changed all that dramatically; Obama has differed little from his Republican predecessor where foreign policy is concerned. He has continued to attack Muslim countries without constitutional authorization, just as Bush did. <br /><br />After following Bush's timetable to leave Iraq, the US government is now at war with ISIS, the group that was brought to power with the indispensable help of supposed heroes like Chris Kyle. The same people who told us that Saddam was an existential threat to the US now insist that ISIS is a far greater menace than Saddam ever was. This would mean, of course, that the Iraq war was (at best) a horrible strategic error, not that such people would ever admit as much.<br /><br />With respect to the upcoming agitprop film, here's my take on the teaser trailer: http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/chris-kyle-clint-eastwood-and-a-film-trailer-heinrich-himmler-would-admire/William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7562246556999938402014-10-03T18:57:29.549-06:002014-10-03T18:57:29.549-06:00Movies coming out, the political situation has cha...Movies coming out, the political situation has changed, and with all that has occurred in the waning days of Obama presidency, I must wonder if the "libertarian" far right is still so cock sure in shitting on its nation and those who defend it? You are the uber patriots after all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-24625756971696589162014-07-10T20:51:49.576-06:002014-07-10T20:51:49.576-06:00...because that's the kind of thing that could......because that's the kind of thing that could actually happen, correct?<br /><br />I grant that since the actions Chris Kyle and his comrades did a great deal to exacerbate the problem of anti-American animosity, the danger you describe is marginally greater now than it was before the invasion and occupation of Iraq. William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-19672857684089130392014-07-10T20:43:26.539-06:002014-07-10T20:43:26.539-06:00I hope that the one extremist Chris Kyle did not s...I hope that the one extremist Chris Kyle did not shoot, crosses the border from Mexico, and suicide blasts Will's ass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-67986857523807194172014-06-17T13:00:21.221-06:002014-06-17T13:00:21.221-06:00The majority of the people that I served along sid...<i>The majority of the people that I served along side in the military joined for employment, and the betterment of their future, yet you fail to see that the majority of the people come from poor communities, generally of lower education level, and lesser means....[T]hese young (maybe that is part of the reason that the buy into the agenda so easily) stand and fight and risk death for the betterment of their situation, even if that means dying on foreign soil. They stand for their beliefs, regardless of your take on said beliefs.</i><br /><br />Exactly the same thing can be said of people who seek "opportunity" by joining a criminal gang of the conventional kind -- something Cicero, among others, pointed out millennia ago.<br /><br /><i>You speak of defending your home to the death, but have never fired a shot nor taken a single life for your belief.</i><br /><br />Killing is always a dubious means of displaying one's courage, particularly when done from a comfortable distance for reasons that won't withstand moral scrutiny. Looking at what has become of Iraq in recent days, it's clear that nothing "accomplished" in the war and occupation of that country was worth the death of a single American or Iraqi. <br /><br /><i> i do not believe that patriotism, not courage come from posting words on the computer</i><br /><br />-- but you do appear to believe that those virtues are displayed by killing distant and largely helpless people who have done our country no harm.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1657409997341745372014-06-17T10:43:54.357-06:002014-06-17T10:43:54.357-06:00I am pretty late to this party!
I am a very open ...I am pretty late to this party!<br /><br />I am a very open minded person, and I can gather how the opinion in this article could point you in the direction that you have gone. There is a minor issue that I have with this. The majority of the people that I served along side in the military joined for employment, and the betterment of their future, yet you fail to see that the majority of the people come from poor communities, generally of lower education level, and lesser means. I can tell from your writing that you have a wonderful grasp on the English language, history,etc. I wonder what school you attended, and how your family covered those costs. <br /><br />A few points that kind of hit home.<br /><br />1. There is a major difference, between military personnel being sedated, and receiving anti antidepressants, and a man doing methamphetamine with the express purpose of gaining courage to die for a religious Jihad. <br /><br />2. You claim that your questioning of authority, and rejection of its policies, and practices is "patriotic" and that you are somehow any better of a man or more honorable than the military personnel that you speak of. I have trouble justifying that, because while these young (maybe that is part of the reason that the buy into the agenda so easily) stand and fight and risk death for the betterment of their situation, even if that means dying on foreign soil. They stand for their beliefs, regardless of your take on said beliefs. Your self and many others such as yourself that post here, speak of war crimes, civilian casualties, and the risk to yourselves. You speak of defending your home to the death, but have never fired a shot nor taken a single life for your belief. On the other side of that, they, your enemy, are clearly accessible, yet you do nothing except question it, and complain about it. <br /><br />Since the folks here like their historic quotes as well.<br /><br />"The Tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots, and tyrants" <br /><br />So I ask you in most humble fashion, instead of speaking on the cowardice of people who may of may not put them selves in striking range of an enemy either armed or unarmed. <br />WHEN WILL YOU STAND FOR YOUR BELIEF, AND RISK YOUR BLOOD BEING SPILLED INSTEAD OF SITTING AND TALKING ABOUT IT? <br /><br />Wonderful blog, and a well thought out piece, but i do not believe that patriotism, not courage come from posting words on the computer, so when will you put your life, and liberty on the line? <br /><br />My humble guess sir is that you won't. You have nay the courage, nor the heart to do so. If you so fear a police state, I am sure that your blog will stop the overtaking force, and protect your family when the wolf you describe is at your door. Good luck, and thanks for the pseudo intellectual rants that you make. Congrats on your followers, and maybe you can start a militia, and be more than "patriots by use of the written word" Russell Barbernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-62599528776809671562014-03-30T21:01:52.483-06:002014-03-30T21:01:52.483-06:00Maybe the women who was going to engage in self im...Maybe the women who was going to engage in self immolation was a victim of circumstances; Kyle didn't have time for geopolitics, it was his fellow Americans or her. This is the decision numerous police, hostage negotiators, crisis management psychiatrists face every day in the US and other Western "liberal democracies" with unstable or desperate elements. Sometimes remedies are available... sometimes inaction at the crosshairs results in deaths that could have been prevented by one shot.<br /><br />I'll boil it down to the fact you have the right to debunk Kyle as the archetypal glorious warrior, but rather than lionize his opposition as infallible it would have been best to say he was a fairly effective braggart just doing his job in a shithole and if he hadn't been there other members of the military were capable of doing the same, with just a lower body count. And I commend you for objecting to portraying collateral murder as the kind of celebration as a Heismann trophy victory.s warrior, but rather than lionize his opposition as infallible it would have been best to say he was a fairly effective braggart just doing his job in a shithole and if he hadn't been there other members of the military were capable of doing the same, with just a lower body count. And I commend you for objecting to portraying collateral murder as the kind of celebration as a Heismann trophy victory.ʾIblīshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12205696554453112741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-22435760963551707002014-03-30T21:00:15.622-06:002014-03-30T21:00:15.622-06:00Sometimes the violence in Iraq was nothing more th...Sometimes the violence in Iraq was nothing more than a ridiculous justification based on century old tribal rites or hereditary feudal grudges and were intended for nothing more than sensational extrajudicial retribution. Other times it was just losers from outside states such as Libya, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Syria wandering in to seize the opportunity of kafiris setting up tent on a hajj route to make a name sparking some chaos - and thats not an exagerration, a number of them were there because they'd been rejected by a love interest and felt since they could not serve Allah bearing children they'd do it by jihad. This is documented, I'm not making this up. Its a sign of delusion. Was Cho a patriot for shooting up Virginia Tech? Was Lanza a patriot for gunning down children? Such events happened in Iraq all too often for many of the same demented reasons of failing in a patriarchal society to impress the opposite sex or fit in with anyone besides equally desperate malcontents.<br /><br />So I'm sorry but I know exactly who Kyle was talking about when he described the "savages." And it wasn't the rank and file wearing face masks for the safety of their family to work alongside US military forces translating citizens to get out of the way at checkpoints or searching women in burq'as entering the city to ensure they weren't smuggling in more IED components or handguns to provide to cells in the city.<br /><br />Yes the US is morally culpable for not understanding the region and its factions, or placing too much emphasis that they were a threat solely to entitled American citizens instead of to one another. I don't get the impression Kyle is particularly special considering the advantages American forces enjoyed as opposed to Soviet snipers who scored over 400 kills against Nazis in a literal life or death fight for survival with over 10:1 kill ratio against their side in the worst theater of combat in human history. Nor am I naive that Rumsfeld's bombs weren't "smart" enough not to land on men, women, and children who had committed no crime other than to be born within the borders of a regime the US government had deemed unworthy of mutual existence on the same continent as Israel.<br /><br />But Al Qaeda, or the Insurgency of Levant as they call themselves now in Syria and Al-Anbar province, the Mahdi Army (just an Iraqi counterpart to the insane Ayatollah hordes turning Iran into a liberal's idea of hell for women and homosexuals the last 30 years), the countless militants engaged in domestic violence indistinguishable from the lynch mobs of the Jim Crow era I'm certain you deplore and hold every caucasian born South of the Mason-Dixon line accountable for to this day... they WERE savages. Unequivocably.<br />ʾIblīshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12205696554453112741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-85873945007850463932014-03-30T20:58:41.796-06:002014-03-30T20:58:41.796-06:00*sigh*
This is a tough one to respond to because ...*sigh*<br /><br />This is a tough one to respond to because even though I am often accused of being an anti-American conspirator who excuses the crimes of Saddam when I get into this topic (just so you don't think I'm slanted towards the neoconservative cancer on America's 'humanitarian' foreign policy legacy); I believe the Iraq war was a tragic mistake constructed on flawed premises from a Pentagon-centered perspective that dehumanized the people. But you suffer from impositing your views too much onto this conflict.<br /><br />First, you have to understand dedicated veterans like the late Mr. Kyle. In his view, as most military combatants deployed on various objectives in numerous hellholes none of them ever thought they'd be in when they enlisted, his job was primarily to make sure his colleagues made it home. Thats what gets them through all these fights, they are not motivated necessarily for the benefit of the host nation. Certainly not to the extent of watching out for the man (and in Iraq combat units were singularly male and female firefights were incidental fuck ups on the part of high command deploying support in unsecured areas w/the exception of air power in heli-transport) next to them. Doesn't make it right or wrong but my experience is that is the single largest motivator for anyone deployed in a combat theater and you have to recognize it.<br /><br />Second, your implication as so many others that Saddam's regime is spotless also is naive. Sanctions were imposed but as so many insane tyrannical despots do the Hussein family manipulated those to serve their benefits and justify the oppression of their subjects to a greater extent possible. You cannot claim that every human being in that country was a victim of American genocide anymore than every young black male murdered by gang violence in Detroit is a direct victim of the American public purchasing foreign imported automobiles in the 1970s.<br /><br />Third, having known a number of veterans, and done a significant amount of research, whether you want to get into some kind of bogus Fanonist argument about Montaigne type 'noble savagery' and call a number of religious lunatics "patriots"* as they engaged in ethnic psychotic irrational behavior because you don't like Kyle's descriptions of unaffiliated militias definitely not held accountable to the rules of war and RoE of any nation state you are just being ridiculous for the sake of provocation. People in Iraq WERE the victims of brutal savagery, much of it the result of foreign influence from Wahhabists or Iranian Shia elements like the Badr factions deliberately trained during the sanctions to shred Iraqi society by civil bloodshed. <br /><br />Entire Sunni neighborhoods were wiped out, people had black and decker drills used to remove their brains, IEDs were strategically placed to disrupt passive civilian moments to maximize terror at places such as markets, weddings, family gatherings. Christians were often the victims of mass shootings and suicide detonations while in service.<br /><br />If you were to witness the equivalent in the United States I certainly doubt you would call it "patriotism." Oh wait, it HAS* occurred in the US. Do you think religious NUTS like the Branch Davidian were patriots, or ostensible loons armed to the teeth being provocative with incompetent federal agents? Do you think when McVeigh drove a truck full of fertilizer into the Ralph P. Murrah building to spark a national revolt against the ZOG fiction of his and other racist fundamentalists minds he was exhibiting patriotism?<br />ʾIblīshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12205696554453112741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-84739729005387851212013-11-18T20:11:30.614-07:002013-11-18T20:11:30.614-07:00Allah is the true God. Allah is the true God. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-90235861412155518982013-11-05T17:34:31.621-07:002013-11-05T17:34:31.621-07:00I think you should consider what this world would ...I think you should consider what this world would be like if we didn't have heroes like Mr. Kyle defending our freedom. He was a good man who did a tough job and did it darn well. He died serving our country and your disrespect is both unwarranted and unjustified.<br /><br />By the way, the proceeds of his book were donated to veterans groups, not kept as personal profit. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-60973664302055554552013-09-27T19:50:39.263-06:002013-09-27T19:50:39.263-06:00Obama is invading other countries. He is just usin...<i>Obama is invading other countries. He is just using Drones. Yemen for example. How about that for being illegal. Oh it is only illegal when you Godless F's have a Republican in office. I spit on hippies.</i><br /><br />You're a little late to the party, my spittle-flecked, slogan-spewing, synapse-challenged friend: I've been condemning Obama's drone war campaign for as long as he's defiled the office, beginning with this piece from 2009 --<br /><br />http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2009/10/obama-and-predator-left.html<br /><br />Here are a few others in the same vein:<br /><br />http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-stalinist-in-white-house.html<br /><br />http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2012/12/sandy-hook-massacre-sympathy-from-devil.html<br /><br />http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2009/01/torture-state-endures.html<br /><br />http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2011/12/send-in-drones-predator-state-goes.html<br /><br />Here's one condemning Obama's illegal war in Libya:<br /><br />http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2011/03/war-machine-on-east-river.html<br /><br />Do yourself a favor and read the foregoing essays -- or, more likely, have them read to you by a competent adult. You might learn something in spite of yourself. William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-61227848116812833572013-09-27T17:31:22.841-06:002013-09-27T17:31:22.841-06:00Go Screw Yourselves Hippies. You will all get you...Go Screw Yourselves Hippies. You will all get your shit handed to you in the end. You got people that want to see you dead because you are not on Mo's team. Liberal or not you are at war yourself. There is a war between the West and the Jihadists that will not end until every one of them are dead. Get used to the violence. It will never stop. Even if you are successful at preventing the US from invading other countries. Obama is invading other countries. He is just using Drones. Yemen for example. How about that for being illegal. Oh it is only illegal when you Godless F's have a Republican in office. I spit on hippies. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-18640913738421571942013-07-05T00:24:45.296-06:002013-07-05T00:24:45.296-06:00I came across this article and its comment section...I came across this article and its comment section by accident and all I can say is Wow! sure a lot of heat and not much light!<br /><br />I do agree with Mr. Grigg's viewpoint as far as it goes. I am amazed and fascinated how so many drink the military Kool Aid about fighting to protect our freedoms even as their employers, aka the US gummint are stripping them away. <br /><br />But there's a broader geopolitical perspective here. The US is systematically destabilizing the whole mid-East so that it can exercise hegemony in an energy-rich region. It is not even secret as the agenda has been published by PNAC since 2000. <br /><br />It is the real "domino theory" as Iraq, Libya, Syria and Iran (probably) fall and are torn apart. The intent is to render them ineffectual as sovereign states thus allowing the US to control them without having to occupy them. <br /><br />Iraq, Syria, and Libya have or had something else in common: they were ruled by dictators but were basically secular states with well-educated and healthy populations with a high degree of social services (true of Iran as well). <br /><br />Now these features have been destroyed and the countries are riven with religious violence and despair. These are not unintended outcomes of misguided foreign policy but fully-intended consequences of imperial power wielded by the USA using a whole range of weapons including misguided, misanthropic, soulless fools like Chris Kyle. <br /><br />Don't bother with any of your idiot responses I won't be reading them. That obviously not aimed at Will Grigg or the intelligent commentors here. Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07387833829866724944noreply@blogger.com