tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post4664254904917727437..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: The Cliven Bundy Standoff: Wounded Knee Revisited? William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-24216873212718571582014-04-28T15:56:21.147-06:002014-04-28T15:56:21.147-06:00As I understand their ideology, "sovereign ci...As I understand their ideology, "sovereign citizens" behave an awful lot like LEOs: They believe they're entitled to initiate force and commit fraud, and claim "immunity" by invoking untenable and convoluted legal theories. I don't really have much use for people of that description, whether in the private or the coercive sector. <br /><br />You probably fit very comfortably in the latter category, given your insistence on anonymity ("officer safety" uber alles, you know) and your ready resort to threats of aggressive violence. <br /><br />I don't particularly care for hospital food, but I rather doubt that a personal encounter with you would leave me in such a condition that I'd be forced to subsist upon it. <br /><br />William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-74877123309074832832014-04-28T14:54:44.375-06:002014-04-28T14:54:44.375-06:00You and your sovcit buddies like to make up histor...You and your sovcit buddies like to make up history to conform to your twisted worldview, don't you? "John Wilkes Booth Day", indeed! I'd happily invite you to my neighborhood to promote that idea - tell me, do you enjoy hospital food?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-39027433815016329532014-04-19T15:48:18.306-06:002014-04-19T15:48:18.306-06:00Sorry, but no. The land Bundy has appropriated f...Sorry, but no. The land Bundy has appropriated for himself belongs to the PEOPLE and is managed by the government of the people. Cliven Bundy is using public assets for personal gain. It's no different from someone grazing his cattle at a public city park! If everybody did what he is doing now, we would have NO public grazing lands and pass down to the generations. Maybe we the People, the true owners of the land, should all go down there en masse and enjoy the use of it. If Bundy and his cattle don't like it, tough sh*t. sashnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-4922405251591676272014-04-16T15:54:31.383-06:002014-04-16T15:54:31.383-06:00It is interesting to note that in Coeur d'alen...It is interesting to note that in Coeur d'alene ID is the "Ft Sherman Grounds" and park - Sherman as the frequently celebrated "hero" of the War of Mercantile Aggression, and of cleaning up the West.<br /><br />The same ground is venerated by the CdA Tribe, and local progressives, as "the gathering place" for aboriginal peoples.<br /><br />For some reason they are unable to connect the dots, with Sherman's murderous intent toward Indians. Perhaps because that would also expose Sherman's atrocities in the aforementioned war, and that of his crime boss, disHonest Abe the racist.<br /><br />Not too late to celebrate John Wilkes Booth day.<br /><br />Sic semper tyrranis!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-10739788174745847652014-04-15T20:14:28.870-06:002014-04-15T20:14:28.870-06:00Mike vanderboegh - from http://sipseystreetirregul...Mike vanderboegh - from http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com aka one of the two citizen bloggers who broke and kept alive the Fast and Furious story - is going to be there in a few days, too! You should get together if possible. Both he and his citizen journalist partner david codrea link to your articles on a regular basis, too. I check out the blogs of Codrea, Vanderbough, lew Rockwell, and your site every day - so it would be great if you and Mike could meet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-69348412881055523862014-04-15T11:23:22.479-06:002014-04-15T11:23:22.479-06:00Anon @ 4:58
It does indeed look like the fe'r...Anon @ 4:58<br /><br />It does indeed look like the fe'rals are trying to sneak the family silver to the pawn shop, ahead of the creditors coming calling.<br /><br />there are a number of possible events which could trigger a collapse in the purchasing power of the $ e.g. oil producers accepting payment in other currencies, bond holders shorting their bonds, a new gold backed deutch mark or remnimbi yuan. or even just the QE money leaking into the wider economy<br /><br />I wonder what their thugs will do when there is nothing worth having to pay them with?<br /><br />will they behave like the Iraqi army, and go home to help guard their neighbourhoods, or become even more fe'ral than they are now, and start acting even more blatantly as war lords and bandits?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-41417797863014106802014-04-14T16:58:09.561-06:002014-04-14T16:58:09.561-06:00BLM Selling Out America - Fabian Calvo
http://usa...BLM Selling Out America - Fabian Calvo<br /><br />http://usawatchdog.com/blm-selling-out-america-fabian-calvo/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-55795036888366331682014-04-14T16:34:09.019-06:002014-04-14T16:34:09.019-06:00DJ, above @ 11:54 -
I'm not the anon comment...DJ, above @ 11:54 - <br /><br />I'm not the anon commenter who's post you referred to above, but I will provide you with a link that substantiates the accusation that the BLM (ie: Federal Govt) intended to kill the tortoises. <br /><br />Here: http://www.kingsnake.com/blog/archives/1561-BLM-to-kill-hundreds-of-desert-tortoises-as-its-conservation-center-runs-out-of-money.html<br /><br />For whatever reason, the original article which was published in the Washington Post, appears to no longer be available on their website. <br /><br /><br />KevinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-51151505624531845502014-04-14T11:54:54.638-06:002014-04-14T11:54:54.638-06:00Reading these comments amazes me, here is a commen...Reading these comments amazes me, here is a comment by:<br />Anonymous said... <br />"If you dig a bit deeper you'll find that the BLM was actually killing those tortoises until they needed the 'evironmentalist' card to throw this rancher off his land because court and other avenues were not working."<br /><br />My response to this comment: Anonymous, if you know this for a fact why don't you get that documentation to the proper authorities or Bundy or the Protestors so they can use it to bring justice and back the BLM goons off? That documentation would be very valuable to those fighting for their lives. The fact is we are all in this fight (for freedom) and should be looking to do what we can to rid our Country, the World of the evil that is perpetrating these horrible deeds upon people (any people). It's up to us, you and I. <br />DJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-4416351839763359872014-04-14T05:26:40.095-06:002014-04-14T05:26:40.095-06:00Environmentalists now realize that grazing actuall...Environmentalists now realize that grazing actually protects lands. The Buffalo had grazed in large numbers on the plains for centuries. Grazing fertilizes the lands and keeps the grasses short preventing them from falling over and killing grass underneath. Where there is no grazing you tend to get more patchy grasses with bare areas. In New Mexico ranchers are being asked to help save the lands by moving their cattle all over the state. If I were Bundy I'd give the eco-supporters a lesson in environmental management. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-18172388640073309522014-04-14T05:05:00.925-06:002014-04-14T05:05:00.925-06:00Difficult to tell whether that one is deadly serio...Difficult to tell whether that one is deadly serious or having a quiet chuckle as he types his parody of a true believer<br /><br />KeithAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-20932914930235204702014-04-13T23:58:52.575-06:002014-04-13T23:58:52.575-06:00What a bunch of lonely tunes.
The Land is Federal...What a bunch of lonely tunes.<br /><br />The Land is Federal Land Period.<br />The idiot who is all welcome to the land of the slave Go See a Shrink you need one Well maybe not what you need is to be shot dead. Just like EVER SINGLE person who supports this BS Rancher. <br /><br />You don't want to have a contract or pay the federal government Fine for the idiot who thinks this is the land of the slave DON't! <br /><br />But if you don't want to have a contract with the federal government THEN STOP USING THEIR LAND.<br /><br />I may not want to pay the guy's my mortgage lender sold my mortgage to But Just What I don't get to stop paying them unless I stop buying my home - So To bad Pay your bills and stop acting like you get to chose in this life if your going to pay to use somebody else's stuff or you get to decide to pay the old owners because you don't like the new owners.<br /><br />As for the Slave guy Yeah You and Every Sovereign Citizen, Every Screw ball militia member, every anti-government creep or wing nut gun tooting piece of trash You all need a bullet in the brain and I hope to what ever powers that be that our government stops cow towing to you ilk and just burn you out and when your running shoots you dead. <br />Bless the USA and all its natural possessions! <br />DAMN all traitors to Hades!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1683466456893566622014-04-13T22:33:23.921-06:002014-04-13T22:33:23.921-06:00Go to AE911truth.org
The site has 2000 plus Archit...Go to AE911truth.org<br />The site has 2000 plus Architectes and Engineers that exposing 911.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-74176341762900768632014-04-13T17:41:35.264-06:002014-04-13T17:41:35.264-06:00Go to this link for some insights:
http://www.inf...Go to this link for some insights:<br /><br />http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/<br /><br />Excerpt:<br />=================================<br />"Back in 2012, the New American reported that Harry Reid’s son, Rory Reid, was the chief representative for a Chinese energy firm planning to build a $5-billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada.<br /><br />"And journalist Marcus Stern with Reuters also reported that Sen. Reid was heavily involved in the deal as well.<br /><br />“[Reid] and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert,” he wrote. “Reid has been one of the project’s most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada.”<br /><br />“His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission.”<br /><br />"Although these reports are in plain view, the mainstream media has so far ignored this link.<br /><br />"The BLM’s official reason for encircling the Bundy family with sniper teams and helicopters was to protect the endangered desert tortoise, which the agency has previously been killing en masse due to “budget constraints.”<br /><br />“A tortoise isn’t the reason why BLM is harassing a 67 year-old rancher; they want his land,” journalist Dana Loesch wrote. “The tortoise wasn’t of concern when [U.S. Senator] Harry Reid worked with BLM to literally change the boundaries of the tortoise’s habitat to accommodate the development of his top donor, Harvey Whittemore.”<br /><br />==================================<br />Well, well, is anybody surprised?? This whole thing is as American as apple pie and amber waves of grain. Bribery, corruption, and big bidness, is what this is all about. <br /><br />Is America run for the corporations and the politicians and the mega-rich? Does a bear shit in the woods?<br /><br />Bend over, honey, and Uncle Sam will drive you home.<br /><br />Welcome to the plantation, all you white people. Get used to addressing your betters and smarters as "Massa." Some day, Massa will have a flat nose and speak Mandarin, or he may have a long nose and speak Hebrew, but you and I will still have to call him "Massa." Harry Reid and his pals on both sides of the Senate floor will call him "papa."<br /><br />Welcome to the Land of the Free-for-the-looting, and the Home of the Slave.<br /><br /> - LG.Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-76238822279594823612014-04-13T13:22:17.893-06:002014-04-13T13:22:17.893-06:00Anon commenting about 9 11.
Why would anyone use ...Anon commenting about 9 11.<br /><br />Why would anyone use a nuke?<br /><br />a couple of holes drilled into a 10' square section reinforced concrete pillar, and charged with a few pounds of conventional explosive is enough to chop that column. explosive inside and in intimate contact with a structural member is far more destructive than explosive seperated from it by only a small air gap.<br /><br />From a destruction and from a weight or bulk point of view, correctly placed conventional explosives would do such a job.<br /><br />what evidence is there for a nuke?<br /><br />the residues of conventional explosives are gone in a few hours to a few days.<br /><br />Nukes leave behind a very characteristic suite of persistant fission products, which do not occur naturally, some, such as Cesium 137, are volatile, and easily spread from the explosion site, Cs137 is also a gamma emitter, easily detectable and distinguishable by its gamma energy. additionally Cs 137 is absorbed and retained by growing plants, securing a record of the event for many years - for example wood pellets from the baltic states were found to still be contaminated with Chernobyl fall out, from quarter of a century earlier.<br /><br />While absense of a nuke in no way reduces the likelihood that there was foul play involved<br /><br />unless the claim can be supported by hard evidence, such as Cs137 in trees and house plants, asserting that nukes were used, is asking for a very serious and important subject to be ridiculed.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-37248769103157733152014-04-13T09:09:55.698-06:002014-04-13T09:09:55.698-06:00Excellent piece, many thanks Will.
Tortoises cert...Excellent piece, many thanks Will.<br /><br />Tortoises certainly do not appear to be the real reason - just last August, a bunch of them were being threatened with euthenasia. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/25/desert-tortoise_n_3813133.html?<br /><br />My knowledge of the geography of that area is very poor. Is the site of this proposed crony solar farm and factory anywhere near the land which the Bundy family ranch http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831<br /><br />Thanks again<br />KeithAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-71957795196990456822014-04-13T08:16:43.614-06:002014-04-13T08:16:43.614-06:00Anybody see the photos? I-15 is a massive elevated...Anybody see the photos? I-15 is a massive elevated highway about 60 feet above the plain, with overpasses and embankments, running right through this piece of land. How come the poor little tortoise was not harmed by the building of this massive road, but is harmed by a few cattle? No, no, the tortoise thing is all bullshit. The previous poster is right - they want to frack this land and make big money in bribes, kickbacks, and corruption. Finally, after being sheeple for so long, We the People showed up in numbers, and guess what - the Feds backed down. Let that be a lesson to all the armchair warriors out there. If you want to keep your America, you will have to fight for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-90166901857275127162014-04-12T23:57:57.333-06:002014-04-12T23:57:57.333-06:00I agree with a commentator on the Daily Mail websi...I agree with a commentator on the Daily Mail website which reported the end of the standoff - the claim that the Fedgov was 'concerned' about tortoises in Nevada is laughable. How many nukes were set off in Nevada over the past decades?<br /><br />And also from my perspective - the tortoises weren't an issue until suddenly in 1993? Someone get me some warfarin for I smell a rat...<br /><br />Spook, RNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-16396744707750438492014-04-12T19:41:01.539-06:002014-04-12T19:41:01.539-06:00Great piece, the agenda of destroying the rural li...Great piece, the agenda of destroying the rural life of the West is becoming more well known and is true even though many may doubt. It is well funded through corrupted federal laws such as the equal access to justice act that has created a cottage industry of tax exempt law firms hiding under the guise of Eco or animal rights groups. They bilk taxpayer funds while forcing their agenda on the west. Whether it is ranching, logging, mining or wolves (the modern buffalo hunter), they all are attached to the same groups, many of which are ran by ex federal government employees.<br /><br />It is very much time for the people who now see this to demand changes to the endangered species act and the equal access to justice act that are used as tools and funding against Western rural life and culture.<br /><br />Teddy Roosevelt stole these lands from states under the excuse of protecting them against corporate rape and to be utilized for controlled natural resources including minerals, grazing and timber. If they no longer wish to allow those, it is time to return them to their rightful owners, the states.<br /><br />It is my hope that the Bundy's live through this battle and that their fight brings more attention to the egregious acts of the federal government and their agenda and people demand the changes necessary to stop this tyranny and armed aggression against our own citizens. <br /><br />It is time to end the government welfare support of ecoterrorists and their bureau of armed aggressors. <br /><br />Thank you for the well written piece.Idaho_Ropernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75174456909954744972014-04-12T15:59:26.055-06:002014-04-12T15:59:26.055-06:00Donna in North Dakota
I have a little experience ...Donna in North Dakota<br /><br />I have a little experience with land grabs on the part of the Federal Government. What we have experienced does NOT instill confidence in any government agency's ability to manage land and water resources.<br />I guess I thought OPEN RANGE meant just that - LAND without specific ownership. So...a federal entity which calls ITSELF Bureau of Land Management comes along over 100 years after a family settled and successfully developed property able to support a few generations, and demands rent?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-63210304746009080622014-04-12T15:30:41.660-06:002014-04-12T15:30:41.660-06:00Eskyman, you have yet to appreciate just how far a...Eskyman, you have yet to appreciate just how far astray the US government has gone. Let me tell you what the American government did on 9/11, There is a new book on 9/11. The author knew the Mossad agent who organised the events of that day.<br /><br />Dimitri Khalezov has spent 10 years researching and writing this book. Download links:<br />http://pastebin.com/EgYe4Ef2<br /><br />Or read at:<br />http://www.scribd.com/doc/170266922/9-11thology-The-third-truth-about-9-11-or-Defending-the-US-Government-which-has-only-the-first-two<br /><br />In a 2010 interview, Khalezov explained that you can't build a skyscraper in NYC without an approved demolition plan. On 9/11, the World Trade Center's demolition plan was put into action to demolish the complex.<br /><br />Khalezov learned of this demolition plan from his job in the Soviet Union. He had worked in the nuclear intelligence unit and under an agreement between the Soviet Union and the USA, each country was obliged to inform the other of peaceful uses of nuclear explosions. The WTC was built with 3 thermo-nuclear charges in its foundations.<br /><br />Note: underground nuclear explosions do not produce mushroom clouds. This is only ever seen when the explosion takes place above ground. On 9/11, the explosions were deep underground.<br /><br />More info:<br />http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_154.htm<br /><br />You can watch the 2010 interview at:<br />http://www.disclose.tv/forum/dimitri-khalezov-wtc-nuclear-demolition-full-playlist-t21675.html<br />Video # 4 - WTC's demolition plan<br />Video # 14 - WTC 7 (which fell ½ hour AFTER the BBC announced its collapse).<br />Videos # 24/25 - chronic radiation sickness of WTC responders (their cancers are not due to asbestos poisoning)<br /><br />Khalezov was interviewed on 4 Sept 2013:<br />http://www.renseradioarchives.com/harris/<br /><br />Here is a recent article mentioning Khalezov:<br />http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/12/28/mossad-bush-planned-executed-911/<br /><br />I know it is preposterous to claim that the WTC was brought down by nukes. But note that the place where the WTC once stood is called 'Ground Zero'. If you look up the meaning of 'ground zero' in the old dictionaries you have at home, you'll find that there would only be one definition. It is what you call a place that has been nuked.<br /><br />After 9/11, the US government sent people out to switch all the dictionaries in the public domain. The replacements differed only in the meaning of 'ground zero'. They show extra definitions for that term, to obfuscate the original single meaning.<br /><br />For example, if you have a genuine old Merriam-Webster dictionary, you would see this:<br />ground zero n (1946) : the point directly above, below, or at which a nuclear explosion occurs.<br /><br />The replacement books (even of old editions) show two extra definitions and this is what you'll see:<br />ground zero n (1946) 1 : the point directly above, below, or at which a nuclear explosion occurs. 2: the center or origin of rapid, intense, or violent activity or change 3: the very beginning : SQUARE ONE<br /><br />Have a look at this video:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBQuoPi_grw<br />At 6:05 mins, he shows the old and new definitions of 'ground zero'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-22871279539548629622014-04-12T14:06:51.062-06:002014-04-12T14:06:51.062-06:00Its Official. Americas corruption began the second...Its Official. Americas corruption began the second the founding fathers died. The bastards with dreams of power came out to play. Worked diligently to eliminate the foundation of the republic to create there own little empire.<br /><br />And wiping out a species simply to beat your enemies as what happened to the natives the environmentalist card is a lie the buffalo can attest to that. They don't care about the environment or nature they use it as an excuse to gain even more power.<br /><br />Treaties with them are useless they never honor them they change them once they find something in the land they want or they want you thrown out.<br /><br />Never shall I believe anything about the environment from the government.<br /><br />Francisconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-59540106768824787932014-04-12T13:44:35.389-06:002014-04-12T13:44:35.389-06:00Donna from North Dakota
I know a little bit about...Donna from North Dakota<br /><br />I know a little bit about the federal 'taking' of privately owned land. We own land along a 2-mile stretch of a tributary creek of the Missouri River which the Corps of Engineers 'took' from the Germans-from-Russia families who have farmed here for 3 & 4 generations. The Corps took 100's of acres including rolling hills, wooded ravines, and pasture above the maximum 1620' predicted flood plain when a dam was built 130 miles south in another state. <br />The original 'promise' was that property owners along the river & creeks would still have access to the land for grazing & water. Soon, dairymen and cattle producers were told the land would have to be leased in order to use it. Now, land all up and down the Missouri River is open for 'bids' each January for anyone willing to bid against his neighbor in order to 'stay in business'. Eventually the smaller producers lose access to the very land they had previously owned. <br />A couple of summers ago, our sheep began taking a 'short cut' across a triangular piece of Corps land which cuts deeply into our 640 acres and is surrounded by our land on 3 sides. This happened at the end of the day when they were anxious to get back to water and couldn't grasp that a circuitous route around the wedge was better than a straight line. "To hell with fences!" We got a summons from the government. <br /><br />I didn't know that what was once called OPEN RANGE automatically becomes FEDERAL LAND just because a federal government entity is created which calls ITSELF the Bureau of Land Management. What is it, 80% of Nevada is under Federal control? Go to www.rangemagazine.com and dig into their archives to get a broader perspective on what is happening to ranchers and farmers in the United States. Better yet, get a subscription!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-59009942340078839032014-04-12T12:42:46.386-06:002014-04-12T12:42:46.386-06:00addenda: outlets are now indicating that the blm ...addenda: outlets are now indicating that the blm (small letters intended) was withdrawing from the Nevada face off.<br /><br />don't gloat. <br /><br />don't think they have gone away. <br /><br />this is a skirmish. there will be more to come. always more to come until they understand we will no longer accept ignorant, arrogant <br />aggressive actions on the part of those who work for us.<br /><br />it is now time for us to go on the offensive and DEMAND the arrogant ignoramus that started all this be fired and NEVER rehired at a federal job. <br /><br />in other words, we should demand a novel idea be instituted in govt: you are responsible for what you do.kirknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-60647783192502847422014-04-12T10:54:07.230-06:002014-04-12T10:54:07.230-06:00If you dig a bit deeper you'll find that the B...If you dig a bit deeper you'll find that the BLM was actually killing those tortoises until they needed the 'evironmentalist' card to throw this rancher off his land because court and other avenues were not working. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com