tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post4437300285252529613..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Martial Law on the Installment PlanWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23257109032177495092008-06-02T18:07:00.000-06:002008-06-02T18:07:00.000-06:00The Constitution has failed but it worked for a wh...The Constitution has failed but it worked for a while. The secret was "division of powers". This shrewdly pitted the politicians against each other instead of us. I imagine it was distantly inspired by the Tower of Babel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-47457945535767058312008-06-02T05:15:00.000-06:002008-06-02T05:15:00.000-06:00"...by presidential ukase..."Didn't you mean presi..."...by presidential ukase..."<BR/><BR/>Didn't you mean presidential YOO-CASE?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-45448553757264410292008-06-01T06:55:00.000-06:002008-06-01T06:55:00.000-06:00"The immortal George Mason" is dead. And don't val..."The immortal George Mason" is dead. And don't valorize your family. Just love them. Or at least feed them. And...call me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-49918076772022997812008-06-01T00:32:00.000-06:002008-06-01T00:32:00.000-06:00I've said it before and I'll say it again. Isn't ...I've said it before and I'll say it again. Isn't it ironic that the very founders who babbled on about "liberty" and breaking the bonds with tyrannical England should then turn around and forbid anyone else from exercising these very same "rights".<BR/><BR/>Hmmmmm? Methinks the pot is calling the kettle schwartz!<BR/><BR/>They were crafty, albeit articulate, liars. See what their handiwork hath wrought!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-55133860449025909862008-05-31T12:55:00.000-06:002008-05-31T12:55:00.000-06:00Yes, the Constitution is just a piece of paper, a ...Yes, the Constitution is just a piece of paper, a reflection of the Enlightenment principles which ignore Scripture's core concepts even while paying lip service to the idea of God. Still, it's what we seem to have. By a fair and honest reading of that piece of paper, anyone with the funds should legally be able to buy one of those M109 howitzers in your lead photo, Will, along with ammo. Yet within the first generation after the Constitution was signed into law, our national leaders were tearing down the inconvenient implications of that piece of paper. Our national government has <I>never</I> been legitimate, in that sense. It has always been "might makes right." Keep the spotlight shining on them, Will.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-18098994052032638102008-05-31T02:44:00.000-06:002008-05-31T02:44:00.000-06:00I gotta bookmark some of these articles better the...I gotta bookmark some of these articles better the information is overwhelming sometimes. I read an article at blacklistednews about a boy scout leader who was teaching his scouts about the constitution one weekend. During the week he got a visit from fbi or criminals in action one of the two and was told if he kept that pesky constitution talk going he would be put on the watch list.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-90146305352668470092008-05-30T20:38:00.000-06:002008-05-30T20:38:00.000-06:00Will, the morass we find ourselves in is essential...Will, the morass we find ourselves in is essentially a "people problem" not an organizational entity problem. Since organizational entities are nothing, if not a collective of people who work together for some kind of result.<BR/><BR/>In fact, what AzraelsJudgement said above is absolutely correct. A piece of parchment doesn't mean a hill o' beans if the core substance of what's written on it is not well-understood and written on the hearts and minds of the people themselves. I mean a Federal Reserve Note's worth is wholly dependent on the degree of faith of the people in it. The same kind of principle holds for just about anything.<BR/><BR/>I think that ignoring this aspect is why true, genuine human liberty and freedom is so fleeting and has always been a rarity throughout human history. There's a spiritual element to it and that's why most peoples never obtain it, or their grasp of it is only tentative as in our case, and is inevitably at some point lost. So, given that reality, I'm actually surprised it has lasted as long as has, relatively speaking, in America.dixiedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-20958646562897440212008-05-30T20:02:00.000-06:002008-05-30T20:02:00.000-06:00The Constitution was a failure. It was the idea th...The Constitution was a failure. It was the idea that words could keep in check men who had the allegedly legitimate power to take other people's money. It was a pipe dream in its inception, and a pipe dream to believe in "restoring" it. Give it up. Bury it. Recognize that your undestructible, inalienable rights come from God, <I>not a piece of parchment</I> and are protected by <I>you,</I> not <I>words on a piece of paper.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-19160335827566686052008-05-30T19:05:00.000-06:002008-05-30T19:05:00.000-06:00Internet Attacked as Tool of TerrorFriday 30 May 2...Internet Attacked as Tool of Terror<BR/><BR/>Friday 30 May 2008<BR/><BR/>by: Matt Renner, t r u t h o u t | Report<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/> A controversial plan to study and profile domestic terrorism was scrapped after popular push back, however, the spirit of the legislation lives on in Senator Joe Lieberman's office. <BR/><BR/> HR 1955, "The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007" passed the House in October 2007 with almost unanimous support. The bill immediately came under fire from civil liberties watchdogs because of what many saw as a deliberate targeting of Muslims and Arabs and the possible chilling effect it might have on free speech.<BR/><BR/> The original bill intended to set up a government commission to investigate the supposed threat of domestically produced terrorists and the ideologies that underpin their radicalization. The ten-member commission was to be empowered to "hold hearings and sit and act at such times and places, take such testimony, receive such evidence, and administer such oaths as the Commission considers advisable to carry out its duties." The bill also singled out the Internet as a vehicle for terrorists to spread their ideology with the intention of recruiting and training new terrorists.<BR/><BR/> After significant public pressure, the bill stalled in the Senate. However, Senator Joe Lieberman (D-Connecticut), the current chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, has embraced the thrust of the legislation and has been working to push forward some of the goals of the original bill, including an attempt to weed out terrorist propaganda from the Internet.<BR/><BR/> Jim Dempsey, vice president for public policy at the non-profit Center for Democracy and Technology has spoken out against the assault on Internet speech. "I have more concern about what Senator Lieberman is doing than about HR 1955. [Lieberman] is no friend of civil liberties," Dempsey told Truthout, adding "there is concern that what he has planned will be worse than HR 1955."<BR/><BR/> Dempsey spoke out in favor of the spirit of HR 1955, calling the outpouring of criticism "hypothetical and hyperbolic." In his view, the study of radicalization and home grown ideologically based violence is worthwhile. However, he objects to recent actions taken by Lieberman.<BR/><BR/> On May 19, Lieberman sent a letter to Google Inc.'s CEO Eric Schmidt demanding that Google "immediately remove content produced by Islamist terrorist organizations from YouTube."<BR/><BR/> "By taking action to curtail the use of YouTube to disseminate the goals and methods of those who wish to kill innocent civilians, Google will make a singularly important contribution to this important national effort," Lieberman wrote.<BR/><BR/> Google fired back, refusing to take off material that did not violate its community guidelines. "While we respect and understand his views, YouTube encourages free speech and defends everyone's right to express unpopular points of view," Schmidt said in response, adding, "we believe that YouTube is a richer and more relevant platform for users precisely because it hosts a diverse range of views, and rather than stifle debate, we allow our users to view all acceptable content and make up their own minds."<BR/><BR/> Google removed some of the videos that violated their rules against posting violence and hate speech, but made a point to write, "most of the videos, which did not contain violent or hate speech content, were not removed because they do not violate our Community Guidelines."<BR/><BR/> "I think that Senator Lieberman's actions vis-a-vis Google were improper," Dempsey said. "A blame the messenger approach doesn't make sense as a response to radical violence. The notion that taking the videos off of YouTube will accomplish anything shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the Internet. Take the videos off of YouTube and they'll appear elsewhere."<BR/><BR/> Senator Lieberman's staff failed to return calls for comment.<BR/><BR/> A New York Times editorial called Lieberman's claims about the Internet "ludicrous," and warned of an attempt to censor the Internet. Lieberman defended himself in a response letter, saying, "the peril here is not to legitimate dissent but to our fundamental right of self-defense."<BR/><BR/> According to civil liberties activists, Chairman Lieberman has been spearheading an effort to censor speech on the Internet. His committee recently released a report titled "Violent Islamist Extremism, The Internet, And The Home Grown Terrorism Threat," a report detailing the use of web sites and Internet tools to spread pro-terrorism propaganda.<BR/><BR/> The report repeatedly blames Internet web sites and chat rooms for "radicalization," calling the web sites "portals" through which potential terrorists can "participate in the global violent Islamist movement and recruit others to their cause." As civil liberties groups have pointed out, the report focuses solely on terrorism seen as associated with Islam.<BR/><BR/> Also, the report relies heavily on experts from inside the US national security apparatus, with only one research study cited. The study by the New York Police Department details a hypothetical four step "radicalization process". The report was criticized by a coalition of civil liberties groups as "statistically and methodologically flawed," in a letter they wrote in response to the report.<BR/><BR/> Caroline Fredrickson, director of the ACLU Washington, DC, legislative office, said that Lieberman "is trying to decide what he thinks should go on the Internet," which, she said, "reeks of an interest in censoring all sorts of different dialogs."<BR/><BR/> "If someone criticizes Israel's treatment of Palestinians and favors Hamas, should that be censored?" Fredrickson asked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-13519394257701806942008-05-30T17:19:00.000-06:002008-05-30T17:19:00.000-06:00If they can't get enough video game addled kids to...If they can't get enough video game addled kids to sign up for the martial law fest they'll just use foreigners. I'm trying to track down an article I saw recently on the evul islamofascist innernet about marines bragging they are to be used for martial law. I gotta find it fast before joe lieberman shuts down that terraist innernett the servers in caves in Islamostan are putting out evul agitprop!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-58726230856883599922008-05-30T11:04:00.000-06:002008-05-30T11:04:00.000-06:00The Constitution is a piece of paper that is the p...The Constitution is a piece of paper that is the problem. People think paper can protect them and think because some idiot who claims to be president signs something then it is a "law". <BR/>If paper could protect people then women should carry around a copy of the rape laws to protect themselves.<BR/>Society itself has to be willing to defend itself and not accept what the government does.AzraelsJudgementhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025494392509737070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-26565994577273239542008-05-30T10:34:00.000-06:002008-05-30T10:34:00.000-06:00[T]he Supreme Court (Perpich v. Defense, 1990) uph...<I>[T]he Supreme Court (Perpich v. Defense, 1990) upheld the right of the central government to send Guardsmen wherever the hell it wishes, even over the objections of state governors. So much for federalism. So much for Madisonian guarantees."</I><BR/><BR/>*Sigh* In “America” of yore, the governors of Massachusetts and Minnesota would have given the Supreme Court the proverbial “middle finger salute”, issued orders to the commanders of their respective state militias making it clear that any attempt to mobilize without direct orders to do so from the governor’s mansion would result in arrest on charges of mutiny (or whatever state statute is the equivalent), and made it clear to Washington that any attempt to use federal force to mobilize state militiamen would be treated as a hostile invasion of the state and that the state militia would respond to it as such.<BR/><BR/>Alas, in today’s “Amerika” the state governors not only roll over, sit up, and beg at rapt attention like drooling Pavlovian dogs at the feet of their federal masters, but would beg for more dog treats in the form of federal funding and surplus “toys.” (Why? Because nearly all state governors aspire to higher NATIONAL office and the power and perks that go with it. The governorship of their states, and the voters who elect them to it, are mere means to a selfish end.) <BR/><BR/><I>Northern Command, for the uninitiated, is the military department responsible for the United States, as well as coordinating "theater security cooperation with Canada and Mexico." It is, in essence, the military muscle behind the Department of Homeland Security. In the event of widespread natural disasters, insurrections, terrorist attacks, or other national emergencies, Northern Command would provide the assets and manpower to lock down the country under Homeland Security supervision.</I><BR/><BR/>….<BR/><BR/><I>Now, like a small child giddily playing with a toy steering wheel, the governors can pretend that they're in control -- at least until the president and his handlers decide the illusion is no longer necessary. And really, since the Civil Rights era, when Guard establishments in Arkansas and Alabama were "federalized" to enforce desegregation decrees (by physically assaulting and arresting non-cooperating governors, if necessary), there has been no excuse for any reasonably intelligent governor to believe that he actually controls the National Guard.</I><BR/><BR/>It just might be that the imposition of martial law today, however slow and subtle its form, is still too obvious to ignore, even by the masses of soma-fed sheeple that have been substituted for the beneficiaries and defenders of the republic given us by the founders. The current deployment of guardsmen to the far-flung corners of the Empire is breaking the national guards of the several states, has brought recruiting into said organizations to a near standstill, and has even led to scattered instances of mutiny and desertion. While leviathan has never had trouble finding willing lackeys from among the ranks of society’s talentless and violent fringes, I think it a reasonably safe prediction that it will be unable to do so in sufficient numbers in the near term to keep the entire population on lock-down for any length of time should our “decider” and his handlers feel their backs sufficiently to the wall. For all of its alleged omnipotence (and omnipresence?), NORCOM, as well as the various co-opted security organs of the individual states, will still be susceptible to sabotage from within. It’s one thing to plan for martial law when the objective is to target abstractions like the population at large. When that “population” consists of one’s immediate neighbors and loved ones, however, reality will hit home and the willingness to do leviathan’s bidding will no doubt take a serious hit in many quarters.liberranterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-15392524007842048992008-05-30T09:14:00.000-06:002008-05-30T09:14:00.000-06:00When I was in the Army, nearly 20 years ago, we we...When I was in the Army, nearly 20 years ago, we weren't even allowed to run from one post to another for PT in our PT uniforms because of the strict adherence to the Constitution's mores on "military show of force". It's confounding and truly mind boggling that today Marines are conducting urban ops among civilian populations.<BR/><BR/>What has happened to the Constitution? It's not just a "goddamn piece of paper" as Bush called it. This is out of control, and it's sickening.Mariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270473022747061522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-49571755002518588012008-05-30T09:05:00.000-06:002008-05-30T09:05:00.000-06:00As the author of "Birth of the Republic" (http://w...As the author of "Birth of the Republic" (http://www.amazon.com/Birth-Republic-Origin-United-States/dp/B000CJ0YT6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198377719&sr=1-1) points out, the constitution provides a strong restriction against the domestic use of domestic force by the Federal Government, in that it mandates that federal force can only be used at the request of a State government to help it maintain Republican government. That proviso was added to the Constitution by the friends of States' Rights to ensure that the Federal Government would not have the power to militarily threaten a sovereign State in our Federal Union.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-73049555130612874742008-05-30T05:33:00.000-06:002008-05-30T05:33:00.000-06:00"Mason and Henry were hardly the only Founders who..."Mason and Henry were hardly the only Founders who found a standing army to be abominable; from their perspective, the only reason for the existence of a peacetime army was to impose martial law on the general population."<BR/><BR/>A standing army is bad enough, but it would have blown their Enlightenment minds to imagine a standing army of hundreds of thousands of Americans, permanently posted overseas.<BR/><BR/>After World War II, the U.S. never demobilized. Garrisons were left behind in Europe and Japan; and a few years later, in South Korea. Six decades later, they are still there, along with the latest garrison in Iraq. Public debate on this permanent international deployment of a standing army is nonexistent; it's accepted as part of the landscape.<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry to say it, but the Constitution did not stand the test of time. Even its federal structure, in which the state legislatures exercised veto power in the Senate, was swept away by the 17th amendment. The resulting central government is still called "federal," but it's not -- the states play no formal role in it. <BR/><BR/>Long after Madison's failed Constitution, with its now-suspended Bill of Rights, has been formally consigned to the scrapheap, the words of the Declaration of Independence will still ring true: "Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."<BR/><BR/>Like all revolutionary governments, the United States eventually mutated into a counterrevolutionary authority. The Decalaration of Independence is given mere lip service, on the assumption that most will read it solely as an historical document. But substitute George W. Bush for King George, and a list of his tyrannies as the litany of claims, and you've got a charter for "real change" (not the kind Depublicrat candidates offer) -- a "living Declaration," as it were. Feel free to update it at will, as the Supreme Court constantly does to the Constitution. The Declaration is OUR document, the peoples' document, and we can add as many claims to it as we like.<BR/><BR/>The Beast cannot be fixed by its own blocked-off avenues of reform; it can only be replaced. The Constitution is dead; the Declaration of Independence may yet live.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-83261930492930387382008-05-29T22:22:00.000-06:002008-05-29T22:22:00.000-06:00They should have listened to Mason. The central po...They should have listened to Mason. The central power should only have power to call the national guard into its service upon a declaration of war and with the consent of the host state's legislature and governor. If the mindset of the people and the state were healthier, emergencies could be handled by the state, sheriff, or local government asking the male population to get their "assault rifles" out of their closets and report to muster. Apart from that, the central government would have a coast guard and navy to patrol the seas.zachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05334525584242029389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-57170008462147128992008-05-29T20:24:00.000-06:002008-05-29T20:24:00.000-06:00A commenter in another thread posted an article ab...A commenter in another thread posted an article about martial law practice in Indianapolis. This is all about getting the eastside of Indianapolis, affectionately dubbed "the AK Corral" in line for the circus maximus corporate whorefest of stupor bowl 46. The city will whore itself out to anyone for a buck and they don't want the corporate pimps to feel unsafe by those pesky freedom loving eastsiders most of which have a dark skin tone and never fell for any fairytales about all men being created equal. Shortly after the no fun league announced the corporate whore bowl 46 would be hosted the repuglican mayor, an ex-marine, was in the papers the next day saying "we need to clean up the eastside."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-2787054253470324602008-05-29T18:20:00.000-06:002008-05-29T18:20:00.000-06:00Muahaha fear the islamomullet! Laughter is good in...Muahaha fear the islamomullet! Laughter is good in these trying times. The elites synthesis of communism and capitalism is all over except for their standing army being turned on us part. We'll have the North American Union by 2010. We've almost got our living standards down to Mexico. The goverment is certainly as corrupt. Hoover was a slimy snake but he did say the goverment was infiltrated by internationalists and it's even worse now with dual citizen traitors at every level of the government feeding trough. Rights we don't need any stinking rights!? We have the glory of Britney's crotch and Angelina's ovarian tubes to behold. How many people did Paris sleep with today. Gotta keep abreast of what's important.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com