tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post2929630655117357618..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: The Cult of Sanctified ViolenceWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-24471695559070262942011-01-19T11:58:01.214-07:002011-01-19T11:58:01.214-07:00What a great analysis. Mr. Grigg is a model of cl...What a great analysis. Mr. Grigg is a model of clear thinking.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02441069653157909387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-38311955996432373872011-01-16T15:02:56.622-07:002011-01-16T15:02:56.622-07:00I heard that Giffords and her husband are both mem...I heard that Giffords and her husband are both members of CFR.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7713610860295107162011-01-15T16:09:12.383-07:002011-01-15T16:09:12.383-07:00Hey Will,
The souls of North Carolina legislators...Hey Will,<br /><br />The souls of North Carolina legislators who <a href="http://www.constitution.org/rc/rat_decl-nc.htm" rel="nofollow">conditionally ratified</a> the document creating our central government appreciate your work. Condition 3:<br /><br />"That Government ought to be instituted for the common benefit, protection and security of the people; and that the doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish, and destructive to the good and happiness of mankind."<br /><br /><br />FYI: Some good slavish pictures <a href="http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1734" rel="nofollow">here.</a> I like the one at the end captioned "awkward."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12008371411701072115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-84713944598540607212011-01-14T18:00:58.749-07:002011-01-14T18:00:58.749-07:00Future historians will be amazed @
the ability of ...Future historians will be amazed @<br />the ability of the US gove.to keep<br />the "useful idiots"of the nation in the "black hole"of war,fear,<br />hate & bankruptcy.expatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-63778880980614000102011-01-14T12:56:15.836-07:002011-01-14T12:56:15.836-07:00The smarties in government use any occasion to cur...The smarties in government use any occasion to curtail civil liberties which in turn increases their power relatively. They do not care about anything else and as they are "law makers", that is what they do.<br /><br />It amuses me when some criminal is charged with "wire fraud". Whay is there no "street fraud" for the bank robber using the streets for his crime or may be air fraud for breathing the same air as the "holy" government official?<br /><br />Washington, DC, is a bad joke and should be eliminated.Sailor Jonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-86350953233906141162011-01-14T11:31:33.562-07:002011-01-14T11:31:33.562-07:00The gunman in Arizona is obviously mentally ill an...The gunman in Arizona is obviously mentally ill and was not thinking about legality of his actions - or thinking about anyone's innocence or guilt. His killing of a nine year old child makes this obvious. People on either side who try to ascribe his actions to fit in with their political agenda fail. It was not a political act; it was one of mental illness. But I agree: it is equally tragic (and illegal) whether those killed held elected office or were private citizens.<br /><br />Killing is the world's lowest form of problem resolution, whether used by individuals, governments or cults; whether it is for personal, societal or political problems. For the President to encourage a higher level of discourse is part of his job. Thank goodness he sees it that way. I am against war/war crimes/war justification of killing so I never condoned our pre-emptive attacks on Iraq and the ongoing conflict there. I regret that we and other peoples<br /> are still fighting anywhere in the world. But by your reasoning, it's hypocritical to even hope that negotiation and diplomacy would be encouraged once killing has taken place. I would disagree. We have to always hope for and aspire to taking the higher road, even if it is not always the one taken. I read a quote recently that said, "...life is full of ambiguity and people are deeply flawed." It's true ... but we continue to set standards, goals and love each other at least as much as we fail to do so. Pointing fingers may make us feel better but it's not constructive. The President was right to encourage us to all reach higher.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-5580300949825943582011-01-14T09:46:39.422-07:002011-01-14T09:46:39.422-07:00Must Read Info:
http://www.whale.to/b/smith_sj_h....Must Read Info:<br /><br />http://www.whale.to/b/smith_sj_h.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-37718776415728978222011-01-14T02:13:54.487-07:002011-01-14T02:13:54.487-07:00What did ya think of that pep rally the other nigh...What did ya think of that pep rally the other night at the church of Barack the Redeemer? Those shirts will make great asswipes or car waxers and the glow off the halo of the one® was too bright on the tee vee.pep rallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-22274313722703515442011-01-13T18:54:56.001-07:002011-01-13T18:54:56.001-07:00Is the office of county sheriff in Arizona the ear...<i>Is the office of county sheriff in Arizona the earthly Grand Prize for Asshats?</i><br /><br />That's putting it much too politely. The SOLE exception to that rule, and very significant one at that, is Sheriff Richard Mack of Graham County (southeastern Arizona, Safford being the county seat), who is one of the precious few sheriffs anywhere in the nation who is aware of his proper constitutional role. The other 13 Arizona county sheriffs aren't fit to lick mud and dog excrement off of his (or anyone else's) shoe soles. <br /><br /><i>I only ask because, if given a choice of being subject to the whims of either (right-winger)Joe Arapaio or (left-winger) Clarence Dupnik, I think that the clear winner is a self-inflicted bullet wound to the temple.</i><br /><br />For the average Arizonan, such a self-inflicted "wound" would do no damage. Maybe that's why Congresscreature Giffords' recovery is progressing better than anyone expected.liberranterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-2834607719589037682011-01-13T17:07:18.643-07:002011-01-13T17:07:18.643-07:00More thoughts:
James Brady, Ronald Reagan's pr...More thoughts:<br />James Brady, Ronald Reagan's press secretary, was shot in the head, and brain-damaged, only to survive as an apparent semi-vegetable and emerge as that decade's most prominent "poster child" for gun control, thanks to his wife. Giffords is married to a NASA employee. Hmmmm....<br />A significant number of government employees appear to be panicked by a revelation inspired by this event that they could actually be shot for merely being tax-feeders. While that may be a rational reaction on their part, it may also fall under the category of "useful information".<br />Is the office of county sheriff in Arizona the earthly Grand Prize for Asshats? I only ask because, if given a choice of being subject to the whims of either (right-winger)Joe Arapaio or (left-winger) Clarence Dupnik, I think that the clear winner is a self-inflicted bullet wound to the temple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-76625473723919114882011-01-13T16:07:04.435-07:002011-01-13T16:07:04.435-07:00notice the striking resemblance of Jared's yea...notice the striking resemblance of Jared's yearbook photo to Howard Stern<br /><br />It's all about bloodlinesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-31786107173210156392011-01-13T12:58:53.906-07:002011-01-13T12:58:53.906-07:00It's quite possible this violent crime was pow...It's quite possible this violent crime was power-staged, as several posters have already noted. <br /><br />But - just as a supposition - the intended targets should not necessarily be assumed to be gun owners, tea partiers, anti-state regulars, and such but, in fact, members of Congress per se! After all, our legislators haven't had a good scare since the anthrax mailings, which led pronto to the passage of the Patridiot Act...and, really, shouldn't all those newly-elected 'nobodies' (read 'non-incumbants') chattering about 'freedom' and the Constitution, states' rights, the Fed, etc. get their priorities straightened out asap? <br /><br />I found the Sheriff's instantly-available rhetoric regarding "hate" and "division" amazingly convenient, almost as if he were on call to deliver the canned cornpone. This, of course, is the same Sheriff who'd interviewed the alleged shooter and had other dealings with him previously, knew of his aberrant focus on the Congresswomen, etc., etc. <br /><br />And what better state from which to deliver the message than Arizona, which has been so troublesome to the Feds of late?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-46452513816762904422011-01-13T11:09:35.845-07:002011-01-13T11:09:35.845-07:00Mao actually murdered over 100-110 million Chinese...Mao actually murdered over 100-110 million Chinese, 38.6 million by starvation from 1958-1961.<br />The Soviet death toll for their 71 years was between 60 and 70 million. Not counting WW2.<br />Five million at least have murdered in the Congo in the last few years.<br />Pol Pot killed closer to three million.<br />The Armenian death toll was probably more like 300,000.<br />The Korean and Vietnamese figures<br />given above are probably understated.<br />The WW2 figure is probably overstated because the Soviets<br />exaggerated their toll by a factor<br />of three, probably 10 million dead<br />instead of the usual "27 million" lie.<br />Will's column is great.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-63118987924299989452011-01-13T10:17:15.097-07:002011-01-13T10:17:15.097-07:00Electroshock Weapons Test and Measurement Workshop...Electroshock Weapons Test and Measurement Workshop<br /><br />NIST invites stakeholders (manufacturers, law enforcement, <br />corrections, academia, military, test instrument manufacturers, etc.)<br /><br />http://cryptome.org/0003/nist010711.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-53855262917966225142011-01-13T08:45:18.515-07:002011-01-13T08:45:18.515-07:00Anon 8:16, you bring up some solid points. I thin...Anon 8:16, you bring up some solid points. I think, upon further reflection, that federal meddling in this case has less to do with retribution against a Mundane who dared assault a Sanctified Agent of the State than with grabbing even more extra-Constitutional power over a state's machinery of self-government, in this case a state that has made more moves than many others toward reasserting its rights under the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. Look for additional suspicious attacks against federal "assets" to occur in the near future in states like Idaho, Montana, and others in this region that are actively resisting federal encroachment, and watch as the feds further overstep their authority.<br /><br />If I were Governer Jan "Walking Blonde Joke" Brewer and Terry Goddard (Arizona's Attorney General), I would be screaming at Washington to BACK OFF and pressuring Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik ("Dopenik" as some of us here have dubbed him) to withhold any and ALL cooperation with the FBI until they can prove that there is some Constitutional basis for federal intervention in this matter (if anyone were to read that "g**d*** piece of paper," they would recognize that the mere fact that Congresscreature Giffords and Judge Roll were federal officeholders DOES NOT provide such a basis).liberranterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-54800791820008572282011-01-13T08:16:58.082-07:002011-01-13T08:16:58.082-07:00'The crime committed in Tucson is covered by A...'The crime committed in Tucson is covered by Arizona's state laws, of course, and the victims -- including all four who were murdered, not merely the federal judge and congressional aide -- were all residents of the state. But in death, as in life, those on the federal payroll are to be regarded as consecrated beings.'<br /><br />Will Grigg is the ONLY commentator I've seen raise this subject, though his point rests directly on Amendment V of the Bill of Rights ('nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb') and the Fourteenth 'equal protection' Amendment.<br /><br />Yet, as in the OKC bombing, there's a parallel system of justice for federal employees; a 'separate but equal' one for the Mundanes; and for the defendant, double jeopardy in open violation of Amendment V (two capital murder trials, either of which could sentence him to death).<br /><br />Arguing against double jeopardy has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. If the evidence against Loughner is as overwhelming as it's described to be, then one state murder trial should be more than sufficient to sort him out. <br /><br />The feds horning in and taking over the show in their Leviathan justice palace in Phoenix represents a flat-out usurpation. Copies of the Constitution serve as disposable floor mats in the hulking full-body scanners at the entrance. Hands against the wall, worm!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-77917712987064135132011-01-13T06:48:40.376-07:002011-01-13T06:48:40.376-07:00As usual, an excellent article Will. This case do...As usual, an excellent article Will. This case does indeed stink. Others have noted about the lack of security at the event but I have yet to hear anyone note the lack of media at the Safeway. When does a congress critter do a meet and greet with their mundanes and not insist there be a local news crew there to cover it? Having no video of the shooting makes it easier to tell whatever story they want.whitebuffalonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-66406696491456207572011-01-13T04:34:04.721-07:002011-01-13T04:34:04.721-07:00I am so tired of hearing that violence accomplishe...I am so tired of hearing that violence accomplishes nothing.<br /><br />I believe that throughout history, it has been shown that the Rich Folks never gave anything to the Poor Folks without the threat of violence.<br /><br />A majority of our social programs were introduced during the 60's and 70's because the elected officials were under threat.<br /><br />There were alot of broken windows and assassinations during that time.<br /><br />The New Deal was introduced in the U.S. during the 30's because there were plots to take over the White House. There was violence everywhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-74722563290290345952011-01-12T19:33:27.689-07:002011-01-12T19:33:27.689-07:00I read somewhere recently that in the 20th Century...I read somewhere recently that in the 20th Century the number of Mundanes murdered by other Mundanes was estimated to be about 8.5 million, whereas the number of Mundanes murdered by the State in the form of two world wars, innumerable small wars, police actions (like Korea,) genocides, pogroms, and purges, was well over 100 million, and perhaps as high as 200 million: 15 million in WWI, 50-60 million in WWII, 1.5 million in Korea, 2 million in Vietnam, 10 million Ukranians starved by Stalin, 20 million Chinese starved by Mao, 1.5 million killed by Pol Pot, 1.5 million in Rwanda, 3-6 million Jews, 1.5 million Armenians, 1 million in Nigeria, 2.5 million in Congo, 1.5 million in Sudan and Ethiopia, etc. etc. etc.<br /><br />The State is far, far more deadly than individual crazies, criminals and crooks. <br /><br /> - Lemuel Gulliver.Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-36831018764622475492011-01-12T19:18:56.477-07:002011-01-12T19:18:56.477-07:00Excellent points. We can't be peace-givers an...Excellent points. We can't be peace-givers and peace-takers in the same breath. Lots of misconceptions will take root with this case, as they will be artfully twisted into self-serving points of view by groups and groupees of one stripe or another (the State is God, God is the State, guns are evil and so forth). If one watches the video of Loughner and wonders about the strange music (Drowning Pool "Bodies"), it's a troop favorite. There might be a lesson there, too. A state cannot argue for civility when its own example is violence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-91264953935083676772011-01-12T17:11:53.183-07:002011-01-12T17:11:53.183-07:00As I have mentioned elsewhere, tragedy is a perfec...As I have mentioned elsewhere, tragedy is a perfect elixer for tyrants, or aspiring tyrants.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16565620274260288512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-46365273848784793232011-01-12T17:05:59.963-07:002011-01-12T17:05:59.963-07:00Anonymous @ 4:17PM:
"Do they even hear what t...Anonymous @ 4:17PM:<br />"Do they even hear what they are saying? How do these people sleep at night?!"<br />I hope they sleep quite soundly. It will make them so much easier to deal with when the opportunity finally arises...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-21148945915549381182011-01-12T16:17:40.512-07:002011-01-12T16:17:40.512-07:00[QUOTE]According to Penn, Obama needed “a similar...[QUOTE]According to Penn, Obama needed “a similar kind” of opportunity for greatness.[END QUOTE]<br /><br />Do they even hear what they are saying? How do these people sleep at night?!<br /><br />Thank you for another eloquent article, Mr. Grigg.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-2106459622844859952011-01-12T13:28:16.063-07:002011-01-12T13:28:16.063-07:00Speaking of the child victim: Did anyone else see...Speaking of the child victim: Did anyone else see the Nightly News (I think that was the name of the program) special report they did Sunday night?<br /><br />They interviewed a couple alleged to be her parents, I guess for the sake of eulogizing the girl. It was fascinating in that both parents were in very good condition for having just lost their daughter a couple days before the interview (or less, depending on when they taped the segment). Astonishingly good condition. Having no children myself, I can't say for sure what it's like, but I have lost other family members, friends, co-workers, people I didn't know much but went to church with, and I know I could NOT have interviewed with a reporter about the dead person a day or two after and not fall into frequent weeping spells. And I'm not particularly soft-hearted, but the sudden death of someone you know, and your own child, no less, is a shock to any normal human.<br /><br />So, here's the alleged parents with utterly clear eyes, no evidence of having cried once in the past week, talking about how wonderful their daughter was. At least the "father" attempted to look downcast. Not the "mom," though. She was positively perky.<br /><br />What gives, I wonder? Did they hire actors just to get a segment taped right after the event so they wouldn't have to come back a year later to do it when the parents would be more composed? Or was there really a 9-year old girl killed that day, at all? Maybe there was, but she sure wasn't the beloved daughter of the couple on Nightly News. So who were these people? How does this little deception fit into the grand scheme of political control, I wonder?Have You Had Enough Yet?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-59469741178959410392011-01-12T10:56:10.780-07:002011-01-12T10:56:10.780-07:00If you think about it, the OK bombing was so large...If you think about it, the OK bombing was so large that it wasn't "personal". This, however, was something made personal by the death of the child and a CRIME by the shooting of the Judge and Representative. The fun is just starting.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992634327453562882noreply@blogger.com