tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post2243141884593712512..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Again, May God Forgive UsWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-14952340214593561332009-06-10T08:16:09.580-06:002009-06-10T08:16:09.580-06:00I've seen this video from Oklahoma go viral fr...I've seen this video from Oklahoma go viral from the beginning, along with dozens of other outrageous abuses by the police against citizens everywhere. I've seen the "boot to the face" video, the 72-yr old grandma getting tazed, the man shot in the head point blank while laying on the ground cuffed, and too many more to list here.<br /> I am beginning to think that we are on the very edge of where the government will begin using naked, widespread, unrestrained violence against everyone for no reason whatsoever. I've studied Dr. Rummel's "Death by Government" website among other things, and I get the sense that we're reaching a tipping point with official violence against innocent citizens. A tipping point that will lead inevitably to the people of America (the freedom-lovers, at any rate) declaring war against the "jackbooted thugs" who tarnish everything that used to be good about the police, the military, and our government in general.<br /> We have become a totalitarian police state. While I have worn a badge my entire adult life, I have also resolved to lay it down and quit my profession when there is nothing honorable left about it. I believe that day is just about here. When Americans take arms against those who <b><i>falsely</i> swear to serve and protect</b> in order to defend themselves against imminent harm, you will find me wearing a different uniform, and I will no doubt be labled as a "bad guy" by the <i>real terrorists</i>.<br /> You see, my dad was one of those old-school cops that would ride tall, shoot straight, and always speak the truth. He taught me to measure myself according to God's yardstick, not that of my peers or even the government. And I suffer from a malady that comes from having touched and been touched by the Liberty Bell. I know that there are cops out there who also love Liberty, and who are Oath Keepers... and my consuming fear is that good men and women will get caught in the open between the jackbooted thugs and the pissed off Americans who are very close to implementing some 'street justice' of their own.Man With A Badgehttp://www.in.govnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-91525202882491277462009-06-03T13:16:58.515-06:002009-06-03T13:16:58.515-06:00Dear Mr. Grigg,
May God forgive us is an apt resp...Dear Mr. Grigg,<br /><br />May God forgive us is an apt response to this wickedness, which I cannot bear to read in its entirety. What is even worse are the Christians (?) who defend this type of wickedness and say we will be vulnerable to the enemies of our nation if we stop committing such atrocities! One has to wonder if they are speaking from ignorance or unregenerate hearts. Thank you for helping expose it, and yes, may God forgive us; but I think this very well could be one of the final nails in our coffin as a nation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1501805476397516732009-06-01T21:07:57.750-06:002009-06-01T21:07:57.750-06:00Well put Will,
Herbert Spencer summed it up nicel...Well put Will,<br /><br />Herbert Spencer summed it up nicely in 1902, “When men hire themselves out to shoot other men to order, asking nothing about the justice of their cause, I don’t care if they are shot themselves.” <br />http://praxeology.net/HS-FC-20.htm <br /><br />MikeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-45073095410134382942009-06-01T16:49:14.202-06:002009-06-01T16:49:14.202-06:00Actually, there was and is an active, anti imperia...Actually, there was and is an active, anti imperialist war movement within the <br />us military. Im surprised you dont know of it. I was part of it when I was IN Viet Nam- when I figured we were up to no good- and after I came back to the States. Google "Sir, No Sir" a very good docuentary of the time, look up Viet Nam Veterans Against the War, Iraq Veterans Agaist the War, and Courage to Resist, for starters. <br />All these groups could use some support- they are helpin anti constitutional wars resisters all over the country. <br />They might be young, but most o them aint stupid.mutthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11282525452528991301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-50672129817042441702009-05-31T22:28:30.644-06:002009-05-31T22:28:30.644-06:00Yes, Will, you are absolutely correct (as usual). ...Yes, Will, you are absolutely correct (as usual). I always give the widest possible leeway to soldiers in active combat. When there is any question of their safety or the threat to their lives, I don't look for them to act under any restraint at all. Their job is to obey orders and destroy the enemy, and they put a sacred trust in their civilian leaders to only send them into battle when it is absolutely necessary. <br /><br />However, even with the widest possible leeway, there is no justification for perpetrating the kinds of crimes you describe here. It is every soldier's duty to refuse that order. I would not want soldiers who did not commit these acts killed or maimed because of them, but nevertheless the evidence must be released to the highest authority over these soldiers - we the people. Perhaps when we see how bad things get in an unnecessary war, the American people and the media will not cheer the next adventure as if our soldiers were going to a high school football game instead of off to kill or be killed.Tom Mullenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01560337910390558259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-26184084237335443182009-05-30T14:30:35.918-06:002009-05-30T14:30:35.918-06:00I just thought of this... Has anyone looked into t...I just thought of this... Has anyone looked into those clowns in Oklahoma and elsewhere to see if they're "vets" from you-know-where?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-47411636890014788272009-05-30T14:28:34.419-06:002009-05-30T14:28:34.419-06:00Bobby, Wow! Well, well.... Some more inconvenient...Bobby, Wow! Well, well.... Some more inconvenient truths that somehow never managed to get into my history texts in skrool. Based on just those brief snippets between GW and JJ you get the impression that they knew this well ahead of time, before the Declaration and Constitution were "crafted", so that all of the flowery rhetoric embodied by those pieces of paper only serve to make them eloquent works of poetry and and a grand illusion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-51171415267334480052009-05-30T14:16:32.818-06:002009-05-30T14:16:32.818-06:00"Open Letter" to Military General Officers
http:..."Open Letter" to Military General Officers<br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_yHY9hFl94<br /><br />LouisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-61382324848046369642009-05-30T12:37:06.192-06:002009-05-30T12:37:06.192-06:00Anon 4:06:
That's probably the only Jack London s...Anon 4:06:<br /><br />That's probably the only Jack London story I don't recall ever reading. I'll have to track it down and do so.liberranterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-39151850466383814812009-05-30T12:35:58.974-06:002009-05-30T12:35:58.974-06:00MoT: I think the founding fathers would be pleased...MoT: I think the founding fathers would be pleased because they didn’t trust the masses either. Besides Hamilton’s well-known contempt, there are the People-Are-Stupid letters exchanged between Washington and others. In 1786, John Jay wrote to Washington: “The mass of men are neither wise nor good…” to which Washington replied: “We have probably had too good an opinion of human nature… Experience has taught us, that men will not adopt & carry into execution, <B>measures the best calculated for their own good without the intervention of a coercive power</B>.” GW to JJ, 1787: “…mankind are not competent to their own government, <B>without the means of coercion in the Sovereign.</B>” GW to Madison, 1787: “I have my doubts whether any system <B>without the means of coercion in the Sovereign</B>, will enforce <B>obedience</B> to the Ordinances of a Genl Government.” I think they would be jealous.<br /><br />Most of these letters can be found <A HREF="http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/documents/constitution/1787/index.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>, or Washington’s anyway.I Hate Bobby Flaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-36038097905923079592009-05-30T05:06:32.936-06:002009-05-30T05:06:32.936-06:00"I too have wondered how "loyal" to the Establishm..."I too have wondered how "loyal" to the Establishment the mercenary forces will actually remain when the scrip with which they're paid becomes worth less than the toilet paper with which they wipe their backsides and when they get word that their own families are without food, clothing, or shelter after the dollar's collapse"<br /><br />Liberranter, there is one way they can be made to remain loyal--Read Jack London's "The Iron Heel", which was written in 1908. It inspired Orwell to write "1984" You have to hold your nose on London's promotion of socialism, but nevertheless there are nuggets of truth in the book on how a tyranny would divide and conquer it's citizens. In his book, the mercs are established them as a "caste", along with skilled craftsmen, given special privileges by the powers that be.<br />The military and militias (Nat'l Guard)is disbanded, as they still retained an oath to defending the Constitution--The mercs of course, are only loyal to the leaders. You can find a public domain online version of this book to read if you Google it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-11341603876422378082009-05-30T04:12:52.184-06:002009-05-30T04:12:52.184-06:00Yes, yes... Carry I.D., papers, identification, pa...Yes, yes... Carry I.D., papers, identification, passport, dog tags, permission to move about after hours within our "freedom zones"? etc. etc. Did the founders have to deal with this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-63316540108639133142009-05-30T02:01:21.630-06:002009-05-30T02:01:21.630-06:00"Imperil our troops" and "national security" are b..."Imperil our troops" and "national security" are bogus justifications for covering up government wrongdoing. We are nearing a point where absolutely no evidence of official criminality will be allowed to see the light of day. If smidgens of information are ever leaked they will be swept under the rug so that the country can "move ahead".Marc Swansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05638073945201888881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-38799966328348141752009-05-30T01:38:12.134-06:002009-05-30T01:38:12.134-06:00LG,
george bush never made that comment about the...LG,<br /><br />george bush never made that comment about the constitution being a GD sheet of paper. however, his actions show that is what he thought of it.<br /><br />rickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-70592809602361891442009-05-30T01:34:02.328-06:002009-05-30T01:34:02.328-06:00George @7:51 gave this link: (http://www.myfoxny.c...George @7:51 gave <A HREF="http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/investigative/090520_The_Vanishing_Husband_and_the_NYPD" REL="nofollow">this link</A>: (http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/investigative/090520_The_Vanishing_Husband_and_the_NYPD), which didn’t work for me, so maybe this one will. The lesson is, the cheerful news reporter tells us, is when you leave your house, it’s a good idea to carry ID, hahaha! Don’t let this happen to you, hahaha!I Hate Bobby Flaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-70632096187725291162009-05-30T01:13:41.808-06:002009-05-30T01:13:41.808-06:00Doc Ellis: Oh, the irony. A cop, with gun drawn, c...Doc Ellis: Oh, the irony. A cop, with gun drawn, chases a man who broke into his car, and (I’m guessing), fully intends to shoot him in the back, when YIKES! he himself is shot in the back by another cop. Tears in my eyes as big as horse turds.<br /><br /><I>“…it is too early to say whether anyone was at fault, said police spokesman…” </I> WHAT? How can that be? Both shooter and shootee were cops so weren’t they both following “standard police policy” concerning the use of deadly force which includes shooting fleeing suspects in the back, and therefore it couldn’t be anybody’s fault could it, isn’t it just another “tragic mistake?”<br /><br />Just in case it goes to trial, and just in case it’s tried before an all-white jury, the cops tell the usual lie about fleeing suspects after they’ve shot them dead: he was <I>turning</I> toward us, you see, <I>turning</I> toward <B>us</B>, and we felt our lives were in danger so we shot him in the back just as he was <I>turning</I>, yes, that’s the ticket.I Hate Bobby Flaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-82061463213126341692009-05-30T00:04:59.463-06:002009-05-30T00:04:59.463-06:00"I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execut..."I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." - George W. Bush, January 20, 2001<br /><br />"I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." - George W. Bush, January 20, 2005<br /><br />"I don't give a goddamn. I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way." ["Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."] "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face! It''s just a goddamned piece of paper!" - George W. Bush, November 2005. <br /><br />And THIS is the country that hanged Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg??? Like I said elsewhere, this country has become one more turd floating away down the sewers of history.Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-51466285724691605672009-05-29T23:51:21.752-06:002009-05-29T23:51:21.752-06:00List of 45 atrocities committed by US soldiers in ...List of 45 atrocities committed by US soldiers in Iraq:<br /><br />http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqatrocities.html#ATROCITIES<br /><br />After viewing the photos I gave you the links for, ask yourself what the aftermath of those listed atrocities probably looked like.<br /><br />Lemuel GulliverLemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-35489559940858251292009-05-29T23:42:39.095-06:002009-05-29T23:42:39.095-06:00The effects of the use by the United States of Ame...The effects of the use by the United States of America (the land of the free and the home of the brave) of White Phosphorus bombs in Fallujah, Iraq:<br /><br />http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m10211&l=i&size=1&hd=0<br /><br />Note these are the same bombs used on civilians by Holy Land Israel recently in Gaza, (their attack which ended on January 19, 2009 - the very last day of the presidency of George W. Bush.)<br /><br />Bet you will never see these photos "released" by either Obama or the US media.<br /><br />Lemuel Gulliver.Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-215660852142883562009-05-29T23:00:26.630-06:002009-05-29T23:00:26.630-06:00Christopher,
One appreciates your desire to spare...Christopher,<br /><br />One appreciates your desire to spare the feelings of your 8-year old niece. However most people in this America, not only your niece, just do not wish to know the ugliness done in their name and supported by their taxes and by their everyday actions. (Such as driving a gas-guzzling SUV.) Out of sight, out of mind.<br /><br />I encourage all readers to go to this site below, of photos from Iraq, both of Iraqis and US servicemen, and ask yourself if what George Bush and Dick Cheney did - baldly lying us into an illegal war - was justified, so that America could continue to have cheap gasoline, in which noble ambition Cheney failed miserably anyway.<br /><br />http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html<br /><br />After the first picture of the US soldier at the top, you need to scroll down past the links to the articles, and you will come to the other photos below that. It makes our complaints about police abuse in this country seem at one moment ridiculously silly, and at the same time terrifying to contemplate that one day, if we continue as we are, these photos may happen to us too.<br /><br />Do please pass these on to your Christian friends who support George Bush, and ask them if they believe Jesus is pleased at what we have done. If they say yes, then perhaps Jesus will also be pleased when it happens here.<br /><br />Let us hope God is a merciful God, and not merely a just God. Otherwise we are screwed.<br /><br />Enjoy.<br /><br />Yours sincerely,<br />Lemuel Gulliver.Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23938667060742497802009-05-29T20:35:00.778-06:002009-05-29T20:35:00.778-06:00"I cannot understand how anybody possessing the mo..."I cannot understand how anybody possessing the moral equivalent of the sense of smell could enlist in the military, or remain therein.." <br /><br />Well, I must say you must not get out very often. Most people are so ignorant and so passive when it comes to political economy and the true nature of current events, it staggers the educated imagination. People can be very well educated in different ways. A man can be a first rate auto mechanic or chemist or computer scientist and no less than nothing about what you discuss in this blog. They just don't give a shit, so they may as well do anything the government says. Hence, the town where I live is vastly populated by mindless neocons, politically speaking. Most of these people would give you the shirt off their back if you asked for it, but they still believe George W Bush is a great Christian man and president, and that military service is a call from Heaven.zachnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-73032847040032220702009-05-29T17:30:47.890-06:002009-05-29T17:30:47.890-06:00will,
i just noticed. did they put the guy in th...will,<br /><br />i just noticed. did they put the guy in the first picture under ice?<br /><br />man people are sick.<br /><br />rickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-9210808650825255192009-05-29T15:56:39.743-06:002009-05-29T15:56:39.743-06:00i think judge napolitano is right -- the video cam...i think judge napolitano is right -- the video camera is the new gun.<br /><br />this stuff has been going on all along, even though the incidents are increasing. thanks to technology, what was only heard about (if that) can now be seen.<br /><br />my next cell phone will have a whole lot of memory!!<br /><br />and those photos should be released. not releasing them is just sad. it's like protecting a crime and its perpetrators. this stuff needs to get out so people realize that a uniform does not make you a saint.<br /><br />...and so that those responsible can be punished.<br /><br />rickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-60524340121049617622009-05-29T12:25:21.562-06:002009-05-29T12:25:21.562-06:00Main Coon and Allen Owen, you're both spot on, as ...Main Coon and Allen Owen, you're both spot on, as is Anon 6:04 (I too have wondered how "loyal" to the Establishment the mercenary forces will actually remain when the scrip with which they're paid becomes worth less than the toilet paper with which they wipe their backsides and when they get word that their own families are without food, clothing, or shelter after the dollar's collapse). <br /><br />Still, as I've said before both here and elsewhere, I simply do not see cause for optimism over the question of whether "the troops" will "do the right thing" when ordered to open fire on their fellow citizens and impose centralized tyranny. Most of these hapless, brainwashed creatures have NO concept whatsoever of genuine freedom or the founding principles of this nation and are conditioned to blindly and reflexively obey any order issued to them by "higher authority" (this is doubly true of the officer corps, especially those who are service academy graduates). Sure, there will no doubt be isolated incidents of principled resistance, but they will be just that - isolated incidents that will be harshly dealt with by peers and seniors before the influence of such acts spreads through the ranks (imagine sharks in a feeding frenzy or wild dogs tearing apart a weaker member of the pack). I think that the bulk of "liberty lovers" know this to be the case, as evidenced by their extreme reluctance to even address the issue of whether or not or how to resist the acts of institutionalized violence committed by their fellow citizens enthralled by the State.<br /><br />As for the Oklahoma EMT arrested by the copscum, I recall an old saying we had in the Navy decades ago: "Never, EVER piss off the following four people: the mess cook who prepares and serves your food, the postal clerk who delivers your mail, the disbursing clerk who prepares your paychecks, and the hospital corpsman who will someday save your life." Evidently Brainless Copscum Martin didn't have the benefit of such wisdom. He'd better hope that he isn't shot (in the line of duty or not) in the near future, because somehow I have a feeling that the EMTs will suddenly discover "higher priority calls" in such an event and that Martin will just have to "take a number and wait."liberranterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-67682256150254603252009-05-29T10:29:37.128-06:002009-05-29T10:29:37.128-06:00Thank you Will for reporting this silliness. I als...Thank you Will for reporting this silliness. I also appreciate George for his document search. That testimony says it all. The only thing the Thug could spout as law was "failure to comply".<br /><br />We may have to have a few brave men be killed by these thugs if we should all "fail to comply" but then the Just cause of Freedom will always overcome the dark chaos of tyranny. <br /><br />I still say that we need some brave men to step up to the plate and volunteer for ride-along or police auxiliary in order to infiltrate the "other side" and keep tabs or sabotage their supplies. We need to know what is happening behind the lines of freedom.<br /><br />There will come a time when we will have to sacrifice our lives to save our families from this type of lawlessness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com