tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post1693578458082253667..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: "Civil Rights" and Total WarWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-79836832744633388462010-06-09T13:27:46.949-06:002010-06-09T13:27:46.949-06:00@ Mr. Grigg...
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hit directly on head...@ Mr. Grigg...<br /><br />hammer<br /><br />nail<br /><br />hit directly on head!<br /><br />every time!Mike Fosterhttp://mfoster.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-50602257012862970412010-06-07T19:17:37.875-06:002010-06-07T19:17:37.875-06:00Mr. Grigg, we'll have to disagree on the crimi...Mr. Grigg, we'll have to disagree on the criminality of the Vietnam war. I see it as an all-too-feeble push back against communism that was a deadly threat to the West. N. Vietnam wasted no time herding its foes into concentration camps after 1975, like every -- repeat every -- other commie government under the sun. LBJ was unnecessarily duplicitous in the manner of getting us into VN and our entire approach underscored Maxwell Taylor's concerns about the uncertain trumpet. The war was, however, a military victory for the U.S. and the S. Vietnamese Army thrown away by the treasonous Democrats in 1974. See Snepp's "Decent Interval" and other works.<br /><br />You are wrong that the war did not arrest totalitarian socialism. It very much succeeded in buying time for Indonesia and Thailand and it certainly exhausted the NVA much more than it did us. The VC was, of course, decimated. What irritated me over there and since then is that I and my comrades were put at risk by bombing halts and other artificial operational restrictions that put as at greater risk of death or injury. And threatened the success of the whole enterprise. After the Christmas bombing of Hanoi the North was about ready to throw in the towel. What the heck kind of war is THAT? Ans: a half-hearted one. <br /><br />I absolutely agree that that war -- and all others in our history, WWI and the War of N. Aggression, esp. -- handed power to the central government. A host of domestic peace time measures have done the same thing. The problem is a complacent, uninformed populace that's semi brain dead from the schools and cable drivel on the TV.<br /><br />The over arming of police forces and crazy antics of some officers is another problem and you properly focus on it. We have all GOT to get a handle on the runaway, out-of-control feral government.<br /><br />I think your civilian casualty figures for Iraq are wildly inflated. You assume a U.S. military indifference toward civilian casualties that I did not see in my time in VN and that I do not think any of my comrades would countenance at ANY time.<br /><br />We'll see about Iran and N. Korea. The post-WWII paradigm of American invulnerability allowed for complacency, esp. since so much of the rest of the world was shattered or still technically backward. Howeverrr, the seas no longer protect us as they did, nukes are man-portable, our military is oddly involved in active operations on the other side of the world leaving our border undefended (as per the last 30 years), and people who hate us are technically savvy.<br /><br />We could pull back to CONUS and send <i>billets doux</i> to every imam on the planet but the Muslims will hate us still. It's not what we do, it's what Islam is -- an evil, aggressive, retrograde, obscurantist, science-killing political doctrine of conquest, pillage, murder, and degradation of infidels who are, according to the shia, najis. And that's not good.<br /><br />After 9/11 it was important to do SOMEthing and what we did do sent a lot of shivers up many a Muslim spine. We screwed up, however, by making both Afghanistan and Iraq into nation-building exercises which is the very height of stupidity, though even that dumb goal has had an incidental benefit of allowing us to kill of a lot of Muslim @#$%s. God bless, W for that, at least. As for his being in the pocket of the Saudis like every other American federal official, well . . . that's <a href="http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2010/06/how-we-became-proxies-of-islam.html" rel="nofollow">another story</a>. I kid you not.<br /><br />PS -- I think you're way off on the Israeli blockade but that's more than I want to get into.<br /><br />Thanks for your reply.Col. B. Bunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09590364016079745156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-79512183483518336232010-06-06T10:33:17.888-06:002010-06-06T10:33:17.888-06:00Can you please write an article on how government ...Can you please write an article on how government caused and/or made worse Jim Crowe Laws and racism post-civil war?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-26912809640769984142010-06-04T08:29:52.710-06:002010-06-04T08:29:52.710-06:00"It was waging that war, not losing it, that ..."It was waging that war, not losing it, that abetted the growth of total government here at home"...WNG<br /><br />And therein is the crux of the matter. "Winning" is not the objective. Playing the game and acquiring all those golden goodies, through theft, from those you dupe, and ultimately enslave, into believing that the game has some sort of meaning. This is its one and only reason for being. Winston found this out in 1984.<br /><br />What Bobert discovered, as I'm sure he's found out more than once, is there are folks who really just don't think about what they're saying. I've been there and done that so I understand their position though I no longer respect it since it's all built on a funeral pyre of lies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-32138705071322552572010-06-03T20:28:54.607-06:002010-06-03T20:28:54.607-06:00I unfortunately found myself in an argument recent...I unfortunately found myself in an argument recently with a Republican; who advised me that we needed to get back to a Constitutional government. Those Democrats were way off track. I replied that I agreed, the Constitution did not cover all the programs that the Republicans and Democrats were putting forth, including occupying 106 countries and having active troops in at least two countries when the Constitution stated that we were only to have a army to repel invaders or put down insurrection. "Well, there's some things that aren't right about the Constitution." Yep, the same attitude Lincoln had is still in the elephant's memory.Bobertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-6392365665263328362010-06-03T17:41:55.734-06:002010-06-03T17:41:55.734-06:00Sorry, if forgot add [SARCASM] [/SARCASM] tags aro...Sorry, if forgot add [SARCASM] [/SARCASM] tags around my last post.liberranterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-61667457553812732302010-06-03T17:40:36.476-06:002010-06-03T17:40:36.476-06:00You may not regard Washington's foreign policy...<i>You may not regard Washington's foreign policy as "lethal," but you should discuss the matter with the families of the two million or so Iraqis who have been killed by the U.S. since 1991. </i><br /><br />But Will, you don't understand: them Iraqis are <b><i>Ay-rabs</i></b> who don't talk Merkin English, don't love Jesus, don't drink beer, and don't love baseball, football, and NASCAR. 'sides, they have all that OIL that they don't deserve and don't know what to do with, oil that God meant for US MERKINS to have. You really don't think that human decency, mercy, and justice are meant for THOSE PEOPLE too, do you*? What are you, some kinda liberal Merkin-hater?<br /><br />(*Yeah, yeah, I know, Jesus told us to love our enemies, but don't tell me you really think He meant THOSE PEOPLE too when He said that!)liberranterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-31469458272521021662010-06-03T16:24:32.625-06:002010-06-03T16:24:32.625-06:00Col. Bunny, thanks for your comments.
Carmichael...Col. Bunny, thanks for your comments. <br /><br />Carmichael's statement is one I file under the heading "Things that are true in spite of their source." <br /><br />I don't see how any honest person can describe the Vietnam War as anything other than a campaign of criminal aggression. <br /><br />It grew out of a deliberate deception; it was conducted without the proper constitutional authority; it did nothing to arrest or reverse the gains made by totalitarian socialism; it devoured millions of Vietnamese lives, tens of thousands of American lives, and continues to blight the lives of survivors to this day. <br /><br />It was <i>waging</i> that war, not losing it, that abetted the growth of total government here at home. <br /><br />In like manner, Washington's criminal occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq, and its aggression against Pakistan and Yemen, are doing much more to create enemies than to destroy them. You may not regard Washington's foreign policy as "lethal," but you should discuss the matter with the families of the two million or so Iraqis who have been killed by the U.S. since 1991. <br /><br />We are not threatened in any conceivable way by the maniacs who rule Iran, North Korea, or any other foreign state. They have neither the means to impose upon me or my family, or the arrogant ambition necessary to attempt to do so. We have much more to fear from domestic enemies and terrorist cliques like the IRS or your not-so-friendly local SWAT team.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-26148024271189561882010-06-03T14:26:03.489-06:002010-06-03T14:26:03.489-06:00A fascinating article.
I don't know about you...A fascinating article.<br /><br />I don't know about your "war of aggression against Vietnam" and whatever Carmichael said about Vietnam, it sure as heck wasn't "apt." Blacks, whites, and yellows have a very real -- and shared -- interest in fighting totalitarianism. The real struggle turns out to have been defeating socialism and those who subvert the Constitution at home and in that Carmichael was useless, if not an aider and abettor. Nor was the Rev. King at all allergic to associating with communists in his career.<br /><br />Nor is the U.S. "slaughtering 'people of color'" in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, or Pakistan but rather, I fervently pray, slaughtering no small number of its enemies. <br /><br />Slaughtering people of color in Detroit? You detract from the excellence of your analysis with such reckless statements. GMAB.<br /><br />And its not "lethal humanitarianism" we're inflicting on Iran and North Korea. It's groveling appeasement. Would that U.S. policy were "lethal" in ANY respect.<br /><br />Nws, I shall have to put your blog on my "must read" list.Col. B. Bunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09590364016079745156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-36511906527222726932010-06-02T20:32:09.626-06:002010-06-02T20:32:09.626-06:00Par for the course, Will. Another excellent artic...Par for the course, Will. Another excellent article!Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16565620274260288512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-52778267478477229512010-06-01T14:51:55.137-06:002010-06-01T14:51:55.137-06:00A very powerful article. George W. Bush imitated ...A very powerful article. George W. Bush imitated all this with his Emancipation program for Iraq, Operation Iraqi Freedom, where the atrocities of America upon Fallujah and thousands of Iraqis mirrored that of Sherman's "scorched earth" policy and was done under the guise of "civil rights" (including for women) and "liberation". Ironically, the siege was led by the Carrier U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln. This is what Democracy is really all about, "making the world safe for democracy" (e.g. WWI, WWII, Wilson, FDR), through wars of "regime change". The "Civil War" was the beginning of this terrorism war policy.<br /><br />Also, you stated that Burning Sherman could be called the first civil rights leader. I would like to suggest that point be amended to accommodate America's first terrorist and civil rights leader, of radical Abolitionism, i.e. John Brown. Read "What John Brown did in Kansas". The difference was that Sherman did it under the auspices of a government "legalized" war.<br /><br />Ironically, John Brown was tried and hung for treason (which was attended by both Lee and Stonewall Jackson) in Harpers Ferry, in a foreshadowing of things to come. <br /><br />And behind John Brown was the (Jacobin) Secret Six. He may have been the first prophet also of what could be called "Liberation Theology", which was also employed by M.L. King.<br /><br />Of course Abolitionism paved way for Feminism, another false "liberation" and "civil rights" movement, which has destroyed families and society as well. Next is the radical homosexual agenda employing the same revolutionary methodology. <br /><br />Society can be "burned down" and "murdered" without the shedding of blood too, by social revolutions and radical legislation that are destructive. THE RECONSTRUCTION MOVEMENT HAS NEVER CEASED!blueridgewvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03747761500422994099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-32999755862994946522010-06-01T13:05:32.382-06:002010-06-01T13:05:32.382-06:00Please don't blow off Mr. Naked's comments...Please don't blow off Mr. Naked's comments. He makes some good points about the klan birthing from the NWO jackal, not really as blowback from the mess the feds made of the conquered lands and people. From what I've studied, this is true. And the point about illegal Supreme Court doctrines is beyond question and utterly true.<br /><br />His reference to Will as "Walter" was probably just a slip, one I've made more than once on blog comments myself.<br /><br />My only confusion, nakedtruth, is that you seem to be on the attack when you seem to be on the same side, except maybe you make an exception to the NWO's tactics when it comes to the Civil Rights Act, which is really part and parcel of the same game plan, don't you think? If the feds can tell you what you can and cannot plant, they can also tell you with whom you can or must associate; whether you can travel or not; whether you can be imprisoned for not wearing a prescribed safety device while travelling; whether you can use the water that falls out of the sky on "your" land, etcetera ad nauseum.<br /><br />Maybe you could clarify your points for us. Thanks.<br /><br />Have You Had Enough Yet? (Google now prevents me from signing in the old way. What's up with that?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-38884991116652779712010-06-01T11:19:11.778-06:002010-06-01T11:19:11.778-06:00Very interesting, Mr. Grigg. BTW, I have read you...Very interesting, Mr. Grigg. BTW, I have read your commentary (this blog and on others) sporadically for a year or two now. I wouldn't give you that compliment if I didn't mean it. <br /><br />I remember your describing your feelings at traffic stops and also something about some government ("for the children") people coming to your house one time, and you high-tailed it, as I recall. Great stuff. Not many people really put their money and especially actions where their mouths are.<br /><br />(Yeah, a lot of people read, but don't necessarily write much back.)Dave Lincolnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-83079703540764444652010-06-01T09:36:10.791-06:002010-06-01T09:36:10.791-06:00Mr. Lincoln, you're very kind. Thanks!
I'...Mr. Lincoln, you're very kind. Thanks! <br /><br />I'm chuckling while typing these words because the subject of my ethnicity comes up at least two or three times a week -- and a lot of people assume that I have African ancestry. <br /><br />I was adopted at six weeks of age by my incomparably generous parents, and I was probably about four years old when I noticed that I didn't resemble them. This led to my demand that they show me the adoption papers in order to prove that I hadn't been abducted ("Oh, sure -- they <i>seem </i> nice, but it could all be an elaborate ruse," I thought, or words to that effect.) My siblings all have blond or sandy hair and blue or hazel eyes. <br /><br />As an athlete in Jr. High and High School, I constantly ran into confusion over my background: When I played basketball, everybody thought I was black; in football, people were <i>positive</i> I was Tongan or Samoan. <br /><br />Things are going to be even more confusing for our kids, since three of them resemble Korrin (fair-skinned, blond/sandy hair, blue or hazel eyes) and three look like me. We're an "Oreo" family -- our oldest and youngest look like me, and three in the middle look like Korrin. We had a visitor yesterday who assume that some of our children were adopted.<br /><br />This makes things complicated when bureaucracies make impertinent demands for information about the "racial" background of our children. I just stopped answering official questions of that kind.William N. Grigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-15269728752713914262010-06-01T08:28:36.600-06:002010-06-01T08:28:36.600-06:00Mister Spock. Thanks. I always thought a picture...Mister Spock. Thanks. I always thought a picture was worth a thousand words. The avatar picture sure had me fooled, but I'll take your word, or Mr. Grigg's.<br /><br />I'm not too concerned about the race of the writer here, as anyone who understands freedom like this guy is one in 100,000.<br /><br />I still don't know who Walter is, though, in that case. ;-)Dave Lincolnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-25238117746340275792010-06-01T02:53:57.715-06:002010-06-01T02:53:57.715-06:00To Dave Lincoln -
I have no intention of embarras...To Dave Lincoln -<br /><br />I have no intention of embarrassing you (and I know Will wouldn't make an issue of either of these), but just so you know, it's Grigg, not Griggs, and Will is not black - he's Mexican/Irish. Blarney con carne as I think he once said. :-)<br /><br />Welcome.Mister Spockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04790678390017800846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-61661018267085787842010-05-31T18:38:24.480-06:002010-05-31T18:38:24.480-06:00NakedTruth, who's Walter?
I've got a feel...NakedTruth, who's Walter?<br /><br />I've got a feeling you're confusing Mr. WILL Griggs with Walter Williams, another black libertarian. There are more than just 2, you know, right?<br /><br />Great piece, Mr. Griggs. I learned of you via Lew Rockwell.Dave Lincolnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-62649126209063679692010-05-31T15:57:41.627-06:002010-05-31T15:57:41.627-06:00It's interesting to see that revisionist histo...It's interesting to see that revisionist history is alive and well. What's next Walter? Are you going to post a review of "Birth of a Nation" and what a great film it was? The KKK was set up by the same new world order that you claim to be against. High level mason Albert Pike wrote both the rituals for the KKK and the Scottish Rite Freemasons. (I never thought I'd find myself attacking the klan by referencing the Masons, but we live in strange times). It's also laughable that you quote Stokely Carmichael, one of the more radical elements of the civil rights movement, in your attack on the movement as a whole.<br /><br />Do you realize that both Ron and Rand have publicly supported federal intervention in civil rights? Yes Rand had a problem with title 2 of the civil rights act and Ron criticized the act as a whole, but the both have endorsed Brown v. Board of education, which gave power to the "evil central federal government" to stop states from taking tax money from everyone and providing "separate but equal" (what a joke) facilities. <br /><br />What you and others who are so eager to assert a "right to discriminate" miss is the broader constitutional question. Rand hinted at it in his comments to Rachel Maddow. It's a supreme court doctrine that (illegally) gives the federal government the power to even tell farmers how much grain they can grow and it predates the civil rights act by over 2 decades. That's where the battleground should be. Not whether the KKK was a "blowback" terrorist organization.nakedtruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07757213798114489009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-16990379427409085322010-05-31T00:35:07.642-06:002010-05-31T00:35:07.642-06:00The comments made me think about how guys I know d...The comments made me think about how guys I know don't tell their wives accurate tales if it paints them in a bad light. I imagine the same was true of Sherman and those like him today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-78243503213384552382010-05-30T06:30:33.956-06:002010-05-30T06:30:33.956-06:00terroriststerroristsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-4655227623107104992010-05-29T23:48:42.178-06:002010-05-29T23:48:42.178-06:00i really enjoy your blog, you always seem to have ...i really enjoy your blog, you always seem to have such timely and relative eloquently written information.<br /><br />I really appreciate your workAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-19512287624933614602010-05-29T22:40:06.308-06:002010-05-29T22:40:06.308-06:00Please give me your recommendations for a young bl...Please give me your recommendations for a young black southern man's civil war reading list. Thanks for taking the time to respond!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-66689901027636527252010-05-29T19:47:40.884-06:002010-05-29T19:47:40.884-06:00Excellent article.Excellent article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-14813737651577679902010-05-28T19:43:59.195-06:002010-05-28T19:43:59.195-06:00Re: recruiting citizens to carry out order
Yes, w...Re: recruiting citizens to carry out order<br /><br />Yes, where do those humanoids come from ? what gene-pool do they belong ?<br /><br />Has anyone ever examinded that blood-lust and government-worship might be part of Scotch and English genetic makeup ? --they used the same method in Ireland, against the Americans during the war for independence, in South Africa during the Boer war<br /><br />What sort of bi-pedals join SWAT teams ? and this expedicionary armed force that invades Iraq and Afganistan ?<br /><br />(and Lincoln had no problem calling a national day of fast and pray to ask a god to bless and support his endeavour)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-49065710403691369552010-05-28T15:20:14.232-06:002010-05-28T15:20:14.232-06:00Well, Will, I see you've made the headlines:
...Well, Will, I see you've made the headlines:<br /><br />http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/05/27/christians.unplugged/index.html?hpt=C1<br /><br />This publicity should increase site traffic, at least temporarily. Most of the comments following the article are negative, as you'd expect.<br /><br />DaleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com