tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post116660781100197436..comments2024-03-08T07:09:46.527-07:00Comments on Pro Libertate: From a Fissure to a ChasmWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7369653577643854482009-05-22T06:55:57.942-06:002009-05-22T06:55:57.942-06:00Well, I am a believer that faith without works is ...Well, I am a believer that faith without works is dead. So what the hell are we going to DO about it? Are we all so timid and cowed that we cannot rally sufficient support for our position? Are we truly still just a small, and not so vocal minority? You all have the right idea- Governments start wars, people, i.e. individuals, would prefer peace, in nearly every instance. I would say the government's failures to represent the wishes of the Governed has gone on FAR too long. We must write to our representatives, exercise ALL of our Constitutionally stated (not granted) rights each and every day. What if we ALL referred somebody to this blog? What if THEY all did. The propagation of opinions seems agonizingly slow in the beginning, but it is a battle we must take up every day. We must be PRO PEACE not ANTI-WAR- it seems the same but the difference, though subtle, is very important. I am a believer in peaceful but forceful and unyielding dissent when it is called for. Keep up the good work, and may God have mercy on the misguided people the universe currently knows as the Human Race of the Planet Earth.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02496767205201706891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1166732781786906412006-12-21T13:26:00.000-07:002006-12-21T13:26:00.000-07:00Will --Great piece, as always. You concept of the...Will --<BR/><BR/>Great piece, as always. You concept of the chasm, and the search for a church that doesn't worship at the altar of Caesar and his State, struck a particular chord with me, however.<BR/><BR/>Have you ever investigated any of the unincorporated church movements or aguments? (Heal our Land, www.hushmoney.org, etc)<BR/><BR/>I would submit that as that "chasm" widens, one of the major dividers will be between State-approved churches, chartered and ultimately beholden to Caesar, and those created by the Creator, who know Whom they serve.<BR/><BR/>When pastors owe their livelihood to Big Brother's largesse, and live under the protection of the 'corporate veil' provided by the prince of this world, it's no surprise that they'll avoid Scripture which their master says is no longer PC, and parrot Caesar's line to the stolen flock.<BR/><BR/>There are more non-501-(c)3 true 'ecclesia' out there than you might think, and they tend to be a whole lot more open to reading the Word for what God actually says than what The Man says it oughtta say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1166666755758910892006-12-20T19:05:00.000-07:002006-12-20T19:05:00.000-07:00I agree with you on the churches and Christians in...I agree with you on the churches and Christians in general. But I'm much more somber about the whole picture.<BR/><BR/>It's amazing how folk, who grasp the truth and can convey the reality of the state in toto in such poignant detail, never seem to be or become "movers" and "shakers" in various professions, including pastoring a church. Folk just can't stand hearing or reading the truth about these matters, perhaps because it incites some painful introspection? Dunno.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, this country is soooo back-asswards these days in just about everything and all kinds of philosophies and ideologies are eaten up by the masses. Yeah, there's a chasm alright, but not just in the Christian church, but societally across the board, which no doubt is assisted and abetted by the church chasm. The country is beyond hopeless and it's beyond obvious that we'll never return to the freedom, however constrained it might have been in some ways, of yore.<BR/><BR/>The way I see it is that a society, where in essence one side promotes a sort of unbridled "freedom," i.e. you live how you want, I'll live the way I want and another side that tries to mandate a man-made and man conceived "right" way for everyone to live to be enforced by the state literally, is either way doomed to be consumed and controlled by the state. It's obvious that both methods rely <I>wholly</I> upon the state. The former requires the state to arbitrate on-the-fly "right" and "wrong" whimsically. The latter requires the state to enforce a man-made, man-conceived "right" and punish a man-made, man-conceived "wrong" upon everyone. Nothing foundational or concrete.<BR/><BR/>Ergo, they're both hopeless extremes that cannot possibly work w/o state interference as the state plays the <I>key</I> role in settling the matters either way. The only way that a society can live, work, and play in relative peace and harmony is for the aggregate whole to share the same value system, a <I>concrete</I> and <I>solid</I> sense of what's right and wrong, and general worldview <I>voluntarily</I>.<BR/><BR/>Only ONE value system, not multiple value systems, is what folk are going to live by, either voluntarily or be forced upon them. The question is, which one will it be? I think by now the answer is obvious.<BR/><BR/>There is, after all, some core truth to the phrase "government <I>of the commoners</I>, government <I>for the commoners</I>, government <I>by the commoners</I>." Ok, it's a little doctored, but you get the idea.dixiedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1166637382260165972006-12-20T10:56:00.000-07:002006-12-20T10:56:00.000-07:00Will, After reading many alternative blogs I was c...Will, After reading many alternative blogs I was convinced that I, as a Christian, was alone in my thinking that something is terribly amiss. That noone that sees the darkness is a Christian. Thank you for proving me wrong.<BR/><BR/>I enjoy your writing please keep it coming. May God bless you.Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17955214419341377532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1166627775470063492006-12-20T08:16:00.000-07:002006-12-20T08:16:00.000-07:00Will, I love your new found liberty that this blog...Will, I love your new found liberty that this blog affords you. I don't know of anybody else who can succinctly state, with verbally conceptual precision, exactly that which needs to be said. Thank you for pointing out the falsehood that the modern day church, infected with neo-conservative worship, is spewing to it's masses. I'm becoming increasingly freed from the fear of criticizing the church as I embrace my suspicion that they generally no longer serve the Lord, but rather the State. The devil cometh as an angel of light.Truth Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01050208715591222309noreply@blogger.com